We got an AIP!
01-14-2018 | 06:11 AM
#181
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Not on trip averaging. Almost everyone has it except southwest. The only difference is if you are averaging calendar days and not duty periods. Hard calendar day is far far superior and I think southwest is the only one with it. FedEx maybe but I’m not sure
01-14-2018 | 06:15 AM
#183
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DAL, AA, UAL have it. AA just got theirs outside of negotiations last month I think. B6 doesn't have it, but I can't imagine a TA passing here without it.
01-14-2018 | 07:38 AM
#186
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Joined: Oct 2015
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From: A320 FO
Forget legacies; let's compare this AIP with Southwest...
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
01-14-2018 | 07:48 AM
#187
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Joined: Jan 2016
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Forget legacies; let's compare this AIP with Southwest...
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
01-14-2018 | 07:52 AM
#188
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Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 45,127
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
This is what we have at B6. PBS and no daily rig. What you end up with is an optomizer program building 20hr 4 days and 15hr 3 days. You will have very unproductive days with sits nested in the pairing (think 1 hr credit days) followed by absolute ball busters to get the average credit to be almost precicely 5 hrs. They will place the unproductive stuff at the beginning of the pairing to keep you from avoiding it by calling out sick. The only productivity will be day turns, so even senior commuters will be bidding them and getting real familiar with the crash pad.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I cannot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I cannot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
01-14-2018 | 07:54 AM
#189
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Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,599
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From: 787
Forget legacies; let's compare this AIP with Southwest...
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
01-14-2018 | 07:54 AM
#190
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Likes: 0
Forget legacies; let's compare this AIP with Southwest...
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
Substandard pay rates
Substandard retirement
No profit sharing (huge amount of money)
PBS (SWA still has line bidding)
Plus, SWA (and others) are gearing up for their next contract.
Exactly what management wants you to focus on. Here's the problem... What will the other airlines' pay be in 3 or 4 years? Guess where Spirit's pay will be in comparison. Right back to the current situation.
Last edited by Qotsaautopilot; 01-14-2018 at 08:36 AM.
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