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01-14-2018 | 09:24 AM
#202
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01-14-2018 | 09:35 AM
#203
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Look at UAL/DAL/AAG/SW/AS rates for 2019, tell me what you think.
NOW, assuming nothing catastrophic happens, where do you think UAL/DAL/AAG/SW/AS rates will be in 2022?
Heck with it, just assume that the above carriers agree to NOTHING more than contract extension rates a la UAL at a minimum.
01-14-2018 | 09:50 AM
#205
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Sorry to butt in here, but if I may make a suggestion... I keep seeing the 43% pay raise statistic being mentioned. I think you all are falling for a sleight of hand via the creative application of statistics.
I haven't done the math because I'm not privy to the actual proposed pay rates, but I would suspect that the large increases in the lower end of your scale are artificially inflating the reported pay raise percentage.
If I were you all, the percentage I'd like to see is a comparison between actual payroll per pilot in 2017 versus if this proposal were applied to 2017. I have no knowledge of your actual numbers, but you can bet that your negotiating committee members do. I would guess the sum total of givebacks versus improvements would put your actual raise at far less than 43%.
Just the humble suggestion of an outsider looking in. Carry on.
I haven't done the math because I'm not privy to the actual proposed pay rates, but I would suspect that the large increases in the lower end of your scale are artificially inflating the reported pay raise percentage.
If I were you all, the percentage I'd like to see is a comparison between actual payroll per pilot in 2017 versus if this proposal were applied to 2017. I have no knowledge of your actual numbers, but you can bet that your negotiating committee members do. I would guess the sum total of givebacks versus improvements would put your actual raise at far less than 43%.
Just the humble suggestion of an outsider looking in. Carry on.
01-14-2018 | 09:54 AM
#207
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Again, I think southwest and maybe FedEx are the only ones that don’t average. Hard min calendar day no matter what.
The difference between averaging calendar day and averaging duty period is a different argument and the industry is split about 50/50 if you take out southwest and FedEx
01-14-2018 | 09:57 AM
#209
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My understanding is the same as Delta is being proposed outside of contract renewal time at AA. They had given up having anything in the annals of history. Now proposed to bring them up to the other majors. (Of course there are a lot of pluses and minuses being discussed as this is a part of a whole list of items being proposed.)
01-14-2018 | 10:01 AM
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5-G-2 Schedules shall contain a minimum of five (5) hours pay value, averaged, for each day in a trip
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