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01-14-2018 | 05:34 AM
#171
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My biggest concern now is the 5 hr duty period avg language and the possibility of the small credit 3 and 4 day trips.
I’ve never worked under PBS, but thought it was meant to make pairings more efficient.
As a commuter was hoping PBS might make getting efficient trips easier and making credit in 13 to 15 days work. If I’m going to work 16 to 17 days a month just to make credit I’m more than just a little concerned.
I’ve never worked under PBS, but thought it was meant to make pairings more efficient.
As a commuter was hoping PBS might make getting efficient trips easier and making credit in 13 to 15 days work. If I’m going to work 16 to 17 days a month just to make credit I’m more than just a little concerned.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I cannot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
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01-14-2018 | 05:36 AM
#172
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The post isn’t excuses it’s showing the real tangible very large gains that just reading pay doesn’t show and the pay isn’t terrible. I wish it was better but everything else is more or less what we asked for. Litterally everything.
01-14-2018 | 05:42 AM
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This is what we have at B6. PBS and no daily rig. What you end up with is an optomizer program building 20hr 4 days and 15hr 3 days. You will have very unproductive days with sits nested in the pairing (think 1 hr credit days) followed by absolute ball busters to get the average credit to be almost precicely 5 hrs. They will place the unproductive stuff at the beginning of the pairing to keep you from avoiding it by calling out sick. The only productivity will be day turns, so even senior commuters will be bidding them and getting real familiar with the crash pad.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I connot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I connot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 18hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
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01-14-2018 | 05:49 AM
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You are absolutely right and the narrow body fleet at united and Delta have the exact same issue even with calendar day average (Delta does have 5:15 average). The optimizer builds right up to the rig. The huge difference between calendar day and duty period average is when you have a trip that spans 4 calendar days with only 3 duty periods. I know you know this but it’s worth mentioning.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
01-14-2018 | 05:50 AM
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You are absolutely right and the narrow body fleet at united and Delta have the exact same issue even with calendar day average (Delta does have 5:15 average). The optimizer builds right up to the rig. The huge difference between calendar day and duty period average is when you have a trip that spans 4 calendar days with only 3 duty periods. I know you know this but it’s worth mentioning.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
01-14-2018 | 06:03 AM
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