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I’ve never worked under PBS, but thought it was meant to make pairings more efficient.
As a commuter was hoping PBS might make getting efficient trips easier and making credit in 13 to 15 days work. If I’m going to work 16 to 17 days a month just to make credit I’m more than just a little concerned.
This is what we have at B6. PBS and no daily rig. What you end up with is an optomizer program building 20hr 4 days and 15hr 3 days. You will have very unproductive days with sits nested in the pairing (think 1 hr credit days) followed by absolute ball busters to get the average credit to be almost precicely 5 hrs. They will place the unproductive stuff at the beginning of the pairing to keep you from avoiding it by calling out sick. The only productivity will be day turns, so even senior commuters will be bidding them and getting real familiar with the crash pad. Originally Posted by LloydBraun
My biggest concern now is the 5 hr duty period avg language and the possibility of the small credit 3 and 4 day trips. I’ve never worked under PBS, but thought it was meant to make pairings more efficient.
As a commuter was hoping PBS might make getting efficient trips easier and making credit in 13 to 15 days work. If I’m going to work 16 to 17 days a month just to make credit I’m more than just a little concerned.
The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I cannot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
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If I was offered this contract with Allegiant pay I’d be a hard no. If I was offered this pay with Allegiant work rules I’d be a hard no. If I was offered this entire package with Allegiant retirement I’d be a hard no. This offer is better in every category except premium pay over 8Xhrs of credit.Originally Posted by Feng
Umm...this whole post is an excuse...remember what you said about how an Allegiant type contract would never be voted in and anything short of legacy standard is unacceptable. Lol
The post isn’t excuses it’s showing the real tangible very large gains that just reading pay doesn’t show and the pay isn’t terrible. I wish it was better but everything else is more or less what we asked for. Litterally everything.
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The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I connot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
You are absolutely right and the narrow body fleet at united and Delta have the exact same issue even with calendar day average (Delta does have 5:15 average). The optimizer builds right up to the rig. The huge difference between calendar day and duty period average is when you have a trip that spans 4 calendar days with only 3 duty periods. I know you know this but it’s worth mentioning.Originally Posted by PasserOGas
This is what we have at B6. PBS and no daily rig. What you end up with is an optomizer program building 20hr 4 days and 15hr 3 days. You will have very unproductive days with sits nested in the pairing (think 1 hr credit days) followed by absolute ball busters to get the average credit to be almost precicely 5 hrs. They will place the unproductive stuff at the beginning of the pairing to keep you from avoiding it by calling out sick. The only productivity will be day turns, so even senior commuters will be bidding them and getting real familiar with the crash pad. The reason they do this (I think) is to keep you available for junior manning if needed. Otherwise I connot figure out why max productivity would be avoided by them.
Ask me how I know.
Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 18hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
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Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
Fair enough, but on those days that you fly 7 hours you would get paid more because the 1 hr day would get paid as 5 hours.Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You are absolutely right and the narrow body fleet at united and Delta have the exact same issue even with calendar day average (Delta does have 5:15 average). The optimizer builds right up to the rig. The huge difference between calendar day and duty period average is when you have a trip that spans 4 calendar days with only 3 duty periods. I know you know this but it’s worth mentioning.Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
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Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
28hrs!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You are absolutely right and the narrow body fleet at united and Delta have the exact same issue even with calendar day average (Delta does have 5:15 average). The optimizer builds right up to the rig. The huge difference between calendar day and duty period average is when you have a trip that spans 4 calendar days with only 3 duty periods. I know you know this but it’s worth mentioning.Right now with our 4.5 average most 4 days are 28hrs. Those all would become 20hrs under the new average. It’s an improvement.
How does everyone feel about giving away the ability to drop reserve days?
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Not how that works with the average duty periodOriginally Posted by PasserOGas
Fair enough, but on those days that you fly 7 hours you would get paid more because the 1 hr day would get paid as 5 hours.
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Yes FDX has a min day of 6 hours. Its based off a 24 hr clock though since they do back side of clock. It is the same as a min day though.Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
Min day is not standard. Alaska, AA, FedEx and JetBlue do not have min day. Delta, Hawaiian, SWA and united do..
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You still can, just not middle and only from one block I believeOriginally Posted by NKSMCOTAKEOVER
How does everyone feel about giving away the ability to drop reserve days?
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Fixed it. SorryOriginally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
28hrs!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
