We got an AIP!
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Spirit doesn’t have RJ’s to whipsaw legacy rates, and SW will eventually be in a world of hurt without a global code share. ULCC’s built by Frankie and others world wide are coming to fruition whether pilots like it or not. A global ULCC code share network is inevitable. The Spirit TA needs strong scope, pay, LTD, and retirement to protect us while we transition through the next evolution in airline travel. History depicts a pilot’s perceived best airline of ‘Today’ is the one most venerable to failure tomorrow.
So we dont have to grow either and you can forget every flying a larger A/C.
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And it’s not about wanting to fly larger airplanes. It’s about wanting to own the growth
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Spirit doesn’t have RJ’s to whipsaw legacy rates, and SW will eventually be in a world of hurt without a global code share. ULCC’s built by Frankie and others world wide are coming to fruition whether pilots like it or not. A global ULCC code share network is inevitable. The Spirit TA needs strong scope, pay, LTD, and retirement to protect us while we transition through the next evolution in airline travel. History depicts a pilot’s perceived best airline of ‘Today’ is the one most venerable to failure tomorrow.
You’re right though Spirit doesn’t have RJs but it doesn’t mean they won’t at some point. I don’t care what kind of planes the company wants to move people on. Whether it’s widebodies, narrowboddies, RJs, or Cessnas, I want Spirit pilots flying them. Period!
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I agree with this. If this TA gets voted down because of pay rates being below industry standard, we will eventually get back to the table. I believe the company will give us industry standard if that's what we need to get a deal done. But the real question would be, what would you give up out of the current agreement to get there? LTD? Scope? Industry standard medical structure (they've already tried to **** on that once), work rules? We will have to give up something out of this AIP to get closer to AS/SW/DL/UA hourly rates and my guess is that it would wind up being cost neutral for the company.
I was simply clarifying a misconception about how things have happened in the last few months, facts that appear to be getting twisted, probably based on fear.
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Here is what rep told me:
Sep 9
Mediated negotiations continued in Baltimore Wednesday through Friday, and ultimately concluded with no deal reached and no further bargaining dates set by the NMB.
Sep 21
Talks broke off 10 days ago when Spirit failed to recognize the pilots’ need for Scope, LTD,and RIG improvements, and overplayed their hand―by demanding PBS that we told them would be highly unpopular.
Our plan to get a contract is to engage in a campaign of strategic communications targeting both the financial community and the flying public designed to bring the company back to
the table. Further, the SPSC campaign will utilize all lawful opportunities to demonstrate our unity and resolve, with informational picketing and other events planned to take place
this month and in the months to come.
English obviously not 1st language, but I no see survey to get back to table. Also quote #1 looks like nc wants to talk but NMB say NO.
Sep 9
Mediated negotiations continued in Baltimore Wednesday through Friday, and ultimately concluded with no deal reached and no further bargaining dates set by the NMB.
Sep 21
Talks broke off 10 days ago when Spirit failed to recognize the pilots’ need for Scope, LTD,and RIG improvements, and overplayed their hand―by demanding PBS that we told them would be highly unpopular.
Our plan to get a contract is to engage in a campaign of strategic communications targeting both the financial community and the flying public designed to bring the company back to
the table. Further, the SPSC campaign will utilize all lawful opportunities to demonstrate our unity and resolve, with informational picketing and other events planned to take place
this month and in the months to come.
English obviously not 1st language, but I no see survey to get back to table. Also quote #1 looks like nc wants to talk but NMB say NO.
Your first highlight bit read like an ALPA email update. “No more dates scheduled after these”. What’s out of the ordinary for that? On two occasions the mediators felt there was ample time in the slots provided to reach agreement (there was). They aren’t going to keep scheduling them out beyond reasonable; you might as well slide a note across the table to the company saying “delay as long as you like—we’ll make more”.
The second highlight was an exerpt from the SPSC, stating a strategy that really didn’t gain any footing, probably due to direction given from the MEC. Didn’t really have anything to do with mediated sessions or the misunderstood, false “icing”.
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Everyone understands you can get a T/A without the NMB/Mediator right?, lol.
If you are going to vote yes or no, please do it based on fact not false assumptions that its because the NMB wont schedule more dates, lol.
The question then becomes “will GREEDY SPA MGMT meet outside of mediation?” That all depends on staffing etc
If you are going to vote yes or no, please do it based on fact not false assumptions that its because the NMB wont schedule more dates, lol.
The question then becomes “will GREEDY SPA MGMT meet outside of mediation?” That all depends on staffing etc
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Give up? I’m not following you, I’m not interested in giving anything up. I’m also not advocating voting one way or another, not yet. Much like I don’t choose a President to vote for based on the tie they’re wearing when they walk to the podium, I don’t decide how I’m voting on a CBA based on one-page bullet points. That would be irresponsible.
I was simply clarifying a misconception about how things have happened in the last few months, facts that appear to be getting twisted, probably based on fear.
I was simply clarifying a misconception about how things have happened in the last few months, facts that appear to be getting twisted, probably based on fear.
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Where did you get this info? Last time I checked they were under a GAG or not to share details......
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