We got an AIP!
01-19-2018 | 07:15 PM
#632
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I outlined the ENTIRE process. You haven’t even voted down a TA, let alone reached a point of impasse, and you won’t even acknowledge that the mediators are actually allowed to lie to produce an agreement.
But hey.... whatever floats your boat. The information is out. What you choose to do with it is up to you.
01-19-2018 | 07:21 PM
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His perspective is not ours. Neither are those from Delta who voted down their TA1. We are Spirit pilots. We need to pick through this TA and make our own determination if this is an acceptable agreement. Having people on the sidelines cheering one way or another is not helpful. Providing insight is one thing, cheering for a particular vote cause it affects THEIR prospective negotiating stance is asinine. They are not in our position. WE ARE.
01-19-2018 | 07:30 PM
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I outlined the ENTIRE process. You haven’t even voted down a TA, let alone reached a point of impasse, and you won’t even acknowledge that the mediators are actually allowed to lie to produce an agreement.
But hey.... whatever floats your boat. The information is out. What you choose to do with it is up to you.
But hey.... whatever floats your boat. The information is out. What you choose to do with it is up to you.
01-19-2018 | 07:34 PM
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His perspective is not ours. Neither are those from Delta who voted down their TA1. We are Spirit pilots. We need to pick through this TA and make our own determination if this is an acceptable agreement. Having people on the sidelines cheering one way or another is not helpful. Providing insight is one thing, cheering for a particular vote cause it affects THEIR prospective negotiating stance is asinine. They are not in our position. WE ARE.
Spot on! Be armed with all the information, be knowledgeable of the process, make your own determination and cast the vote accordingly. Nothing more, nothing less.
01-19-2018 | 07:34 PM
#636
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All speculations boys and girls. Wait for the TA and comb through it using needles. The devil is in the details.
As for the 43% raise....it only sounds good. Stop someone on the street and say "ur getting 43% raise" and they'll think its a whole lot. But compare the $ amount with industry standards that you guys deserve
and it'll become quickly apparent that it still falls short. So the mediator can pout all she wants abt the percentage, but that's just the wool over the eyes.
As for the 43% raise....it only sounds good. Stop someone on the street and say "ur getting 43% raise" and they'll think its a whole lot. But compare the $ amount with industry standards that you guys deserve
and it'll become quickly apparent that it still falls short. So the mediator can pout all she wants abt the percentage, but that's just the wool over the eyes.
01-19-2018 | 07:41 PM
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I think:
1. we get survey
2. when mediator wants, everyone sits in room more.
3. Alpa gives new proposal, company say no.
4. mediator either calls for another 4 months break(goes back to step #1), or we go back step #3
All this time we need scope / ltd.
Is scope / ltd worth bad pay, soso retirement, lose schedule integrity, pbs, trans conflict? = personal choice
1. we get survey
2. when mediator wants, everyone sits in room more.
3. Alpa gives new proposal, company say no.
4. mediator either calls for another 4 months break(goes back to step #1), or we go back step #3
All this time we need scope / ltd.
Is scope / ltd worth bad pay, soso retirement, lose schedule integrity, pbs, trans conflict? = personal choice
01-19-2018 | 07:45 PM
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No, that’s not why our NC and the company didn’t meet face-to-face for 4 months. They didn’t meet because discussions led to a demand of PBS from the company, the mediator wanted to hear it play out, and our NC was not authorized by our MEC to negotiate into an agreement containing PBS language. Put simply, our NC needed time to poll the membership for a possible change in negotiation direction. Notice that after this was accomplished we were back at it in relative short order. We were NEVER “iced”; in fact, the NMB doesn’t even recognize that term! But don’t trust me—ask your rep!
01-19-2018 | 07:59 PM
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No, that’s not why our NC and the company didn’t meet face-to-face for 4 months. They didn’t meet because discussions led to a demand of PBS from the company, the mediator wanted to hear it play out, and our NC was not authorized by our MEC to negotiate into an agreement containing PBS language. Put simply, our NC needed time to poll the membership for a possible change in negotiation direction. Notice that after this was accomplished we were back at it in relative short order. We were NEVER “iced”; in fact, the NMB doesn’t even recognize that term! But don’t trust me—ask your rep!
01-19-2018 | 08:22 PM
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No, that’s not why our NC and the company didn’t meet face-to-face for 4 months. They didn’t meet because discussions led to a demand of PBS from the company, the mediator wanted to hear it play out, and our NC was not authorized by our MEC to negotiate into an agreement containing PBS language. Put simply, our NC needed time to poll the membership for a possible change in negotiation direction. Notice that after this was accomplished we were back at it in relative short order. We were NEVER “iced”; in fact, the NMB doesn’t even recognize that term! But don’t trust me—ask your rep!
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