Ok heres the thing. SWA pilots didnt gain 40% from old Contract to TA2. Id vote this down too if I was a CA making 250-300k already like they were.

Also, some of the most vocal “NO” voters (who havent read a single sentence ce of any TA) are the same scumbags who violated the CBA monthly to credit 130hrs a month.

 

This is a complete and utter BS.

First of all, let’s get one thing straight... no such thing as “violating CBA” to credit anything. Our CBA provides for us to be able to credit these kinds of numbers and occasionally, it’d be involuntary as well.

The reason you’re gaining 40%+ percent is because you’re just that grossly underpaid in comparison to your peers flying the same or similar type of aircraft, not because your management is feeling charitable and wants to reward you for your contribution to their success.

Part of our TA1 at Southwest was that we would gain additional 0.7% match contribution to our 401k. The pathetic thing was that 38% of the weak sisters voted yes on this garbage and in today’s environment!

Following rejection of this garbage, we had special election, new negotiations committee formed, several mediated negotiations and we ended up with TA2, voted on, with full or almost full retro (depends who you ask) less than a year later... In the end, we got the proper B-plan and the improvements we sought. One of those improvements was to our reserve where now a reserve pilot could credit crazy numbers... the kind you call “violating CBA.” We fell short in some areas, but it was a massive improvement over TA1 and it took some intestinal fortitude which sadly seems to be lacking among some of you.

It’s not on me or any OAL pilot to tell you how to vote. If it were me, from the payrates alone and PBS being instituted, combined with tax break all our airlines will be getting, it would be the easiest NO ever, but that’s me. The mediator CANNOT hurt you. They don’t measure success by getting you a FAIR contract. They measure success by getting both of you to sign something and move on. A mediator is actually allowed to lie to either party “to spur the negotiations.” Don’t believe me... look it up yourself.

The reality is very simple. The company negotiators are there to secure the best possible deal for the shareholders and the management team. Your union’s job is to secure the best deal for its membership. The mediator is there to help bring it to a close.... nothing more, nothing less. In the end, you decide what’s enough and what your career is worth and you vote accordingly. It seems to me that you believe that your career is worth less than that of a Southwest pilot... or a United pilot... or a Delta pilot... even Alaska pilot. Your CEO doesn’t think he’s worth less, but he and his team have done a fantastic job making you feel that you are. He and his negotiators should get the biggest and the fattest raise and a bonus if you sign this. It would be well deserved.

One word to describe it... unfortunate.

 

I think he's referring to us. It's easier to throw people you disagree with into another group you don't like than to think logical people have different opinions than yours. I'm in early as a NO but will definitely be reading the whole TA and attending road shows.

 

I was referring to SPIRIT pilots who credit 130hrs a month by violating the contract.

You can be as judgemental as you want but it isnt your airline, isnt your CBA, isnt your family that will be affected by this, So just be mindful of that when you decide to throw judgement around.


ll that being said, anyone who is a hard “yes/no” vote already without reading the language is doing everyone a disservice

 

I stand corrected on this. Just curious... does your contract not support 130 hour credits? How are these people violating your contract?

Absolutely correct. It isn't my airline, nor my CBA, but my family may very well be affected by this because when the time comes for us to renegotiate in a couple of years, we'll have your contract thrown in our face, and all this while your CEO, his inner circle, and SAVE shareholders laugh their way to the bank along with ours.

You can rest assured they all will be comparing notes as to how Fornaro got his pilots to accept subpar pay rates, PBS (do more with fewer pilots), and how he got away with getting his pilots to accept a mere bonus as opposed to full retro. Why do you think all of our contract negotiations tend to drag out as long as they do? It's beneficial for management to get you and your negotiators to the point of 'negotiations fatigue' just to get it over with. Then they reward themselves and the shareholders with money that should have been yours (full retro). Anything short of full retro rewards management stalling good faith negotiations... and some of you folks seem hellbent to reward them for it too.

As I said... unfortunate.

 

Was our current contract thrown in your face for TA2? beause id rather have this AIP thrown in your face while negotiating than our current contract.

And yes, many many credit *****s here absolutely violate the CBA. Special deals that nobody else gets because scheduling has them on speed dial and knows they’ll help out.

Sorry brother, Im not willing to turn down an almost $100,000/yr raise with LTD and much better retirment than I have now so I dont hurt your future contract.

(Pending I vote yes based on actually reading the thing)

 

How many contract cycles did it take for SWA not to have industry lagging rates? As to your more recent negotiations, It’s easy to say no when you’re already making $250k and you already have scope, LTD and rigs in place. That will be us on the next go around and we’ll have much more leverage once we have the luxury of saying no. You’re asking a 5th year CA currently making $130k per year with no DC, LTD or adequate scope to say no to $200-$250k per year plus LTD, scope and DC. Probably not going to happen.

 

Again, this is exactly what management wants...

"Hey everybody, look how much more this is than you make now! Pay no attention to industry standard."

 

Easy solution for you, vote no

 

So, you do not study history, let alone learn from it... as I said, unfortunate.

Fornaro and SAVE management really deserve a fantastic bonus if you vote this in, and they'll get it too. Perfect parting gift for Fornaro too...