Qotsaautopilot

Let’s read the scope section first. If it’s rock solid it might be worth the price of admission. No scope no vote

Qotsaautopilot

I do like the leather jacket that doesn’t have an elastic waist. Ours are very outdated

Winston

Well, we all have some idea: annual pay increases in the United contract which take effect Jan 1st of each year show that in 2019 a United 320 Captain will max out at $283.22/hour, plus the 16% 401k contribution. The UPA becomes amendable at the end of this year and both sides are aiming for an early agreement.

I’ll bet you my profit sharing check arriving next month that the new agreement includes pay, work rule, and retirement benefit increases on top of all that.

LloydBraun

Well your lucky then. If that’s all true than you have a mngmt that understands and values it’s pilots and what it means to keep them.

We don’t. Our NC has been butting heads with these a$$ holes and a mediator that sides with them almost exclusively.

If I was making $240 hr, had a 16% contribution and good LTD I would be a tougher guy as well.

But I don’t. I’m 49 years old. I make $72 hr with LTD that’s basically non existent, no direct contribution a scope clause that I’m waiting everyday to find out will cost us jobs and a mgmt team that doesn’t value us and a mediator that sides with them continuously.

I think the FO Pay sucks especially since PBS will now slow upgrades and keep guys as FO’s for extra years now.

But Spirit pilots are in a different spot than anyone else in the business other than probably Frontier. Even the JetBlue guys are in a better spot because there negotiating from a higher starting point.

full of luv

Yet the metal still goes from A to B. Mgmt's inclination is not to pay $1 more than required to make that happen on a consistent basis. It really is the pilots/union that have to make it clear to the company that the status quo just won't last.

LloydBraun

I understand that but something tells me the view out my window is much different than yours.

TerrainOnND

What if the SWA pilots, when TA1 came around, had said, "Well, this is a big raise compared to what we have now; who knows what we'll lose if we spend more time negotiating?"

They didn't. They decided they weren't going to work for a discount.

Very different from some of the sentiment on this forum, which hopefully represents the minority.

Bottom line: this TA is below industry-standard compensation with concession of work rules, which ensures that Spirit gets pilots at a discount for the foreseeable future. If Spirit doesn't want to pay for Airbus pilots, it shouldn't fly the Airbus (which it doesn't get a discount for).

StickPig

Might have missed it, but has anyone posted what the pay rates are?

LloydBraun

Wonder how many of the NC will resign if this fails. Can’t say I would blame them. Work your butt off for everyone and you get comments like “turd”. Thankless job. That will delay things for a while.

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All of ‘em. I know I would