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Old 01-31-2018 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
Who says you need to replace the NC? I don’t understand that thinking? Unless they quit like some other MEC chair did... I’d say we have another offer sooner rather than later.
Many think they got as far as they could so why continue with them, some think they'll just quit.

SWA replaced their MEC or parts after their failed TA, didn't they? Or was it their NC? I don't remember.

Our MEC vote for the TA was unanimous, recommended by the NC. Why would you want to continue with them if they don't know what the group wants?

I'm not recommending it, but the potential is there.

Please don't take it as selling fear, we just have to weigh all the risks.
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Old 01-31-2018 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeSmiles
We used to have a lot of LAS pairings that were 3 days worth 13:30. Redeye to the east coast, 22:30 layover, one leg back the next AM. Those went away because they figured out they could turn them into 18 hour 4 days with 17:50 block. More efficient for them. Now they will be worth 10 hours. (2 duty periods, just under 10 block) I'm sure they will show up again and you will see a lot of 22-23 hour layovers where you go to the hotel at 7 am and have to try to grab 2 nights sleep in 23 hours.
Why in the world they caved on that I will never know. That in itself will be a huge QOL hit, not only because of the bad sleep schedule, but because it'll take you 6 calendar days to net 20 hours of pay. I hope you have a crash pad. You will see it a lot.
I would like to know how this will effect the pairings being built. That’s a good question to ask at a road show. But remember, this airline does fly during the day too. I gotta believe that the mass majority of the pairings will be higher credit.
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Old 01-31-2018 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
Who says you need to replace the NC? I don’t understand that thinking? Unless they quit like some other MEC chair did... I’d say we have another offer sooner rather than later.
You don’t have to replace them, but I heard they are stepping down if this gets voted down (of course rumors ) , but be prepared for it to take another year to get a new deal.
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Old 01-31-2018 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Many think they got as far as they could so why continue with them, some think they'll just quit.



SWA replaced their MEC or parts after their failed TA, didn't they? Or was it their NC? I don't remember.



Our MEC vote for the TA was unanimous, recommended by the NC. Why would you want to continue with them if they don't know what the group wants?



I'm not recommending it, but the potential is there.



Please don't take it as selling fear, we just have to weigh all the risks.


We replaced the union leadership and the NC in entirety and had a new TA far superior to TA1 9 months later or so.
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Old 01-31-2018 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
We replaced the union leadership and the NC in entirety and had a new TA far superior to TA1 9 months later or so.
Hard to argue with that.

Of course the 26%ers were born, so it wasn't all that and a bag of chips. 😉
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Old 01-31-2018 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Hard to argue with that.

Of course the 26%ers were born, so it wasn't all that and a bag of chips. 😉
I think he’s talking about Delta or southwest. Both had their NC replaced or stepped down after failed ta1
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Old 01-31-2018 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I think he’s talking about Delta or southwest. Both had their NC replaced or stepped down after failed ta1
I'm at SWA.

Ironically, they thought TA1 was the absolute best we could get... they were proven dead wrong.
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Old 01-31-2018 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Many think they got as far as they could so why continue with them, some think they'll just quit.

SWA replaced their MEC or parts after their failed TA, didn't they? Or was it their NC? I don't remember.

Our MEC vote for the TA was unanimous, recommended by the NC. Why would you want to continue with them if they don't know what the group wants?

I'm not recommending it, but the potential is there.

Please don't take it as selling fear, we just have to weigh all the risks.
Make some strong and valid points, for sure
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Old 01-31-2018 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
I'm at SWA.

Ironically, they thought TA1 was the absolute best we could get... they were proven dead wrong.
Ah, sorry.

Out of curiosity, how much was the increase from old contract to new, TA1 to TA?

Thanks
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Old 01-31-2018 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Ah, sorry.

Out of curiosity, how much was the increase from old contract to new, TA1 to TA?

Thanks
Scope was a huge change. TA1 had massive scope concessions in terms of codesharing. It also didn’t have a DC retirement. I think scope alone was the main reason for the original no. I’ll let the southwest pilot speak to actual hourly (trip for pay) increase
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