We got an AIP!
01-17-2018, 06:31 AM
#471
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 316
No body wants a furlough, but if there was one, isn't that what we all want? Is that not what you want? you're as **** as beavis.
01-17-2018, 06:35 AM
#472
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
01-17-2018, 06:57 AM
#473
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
01-17-2018, 06:58 AM
#474
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 155
Yeah man, I suggested a TA will only come about if it’s no full retro, no legacy rates, pbs...it’ll take multiple steps to get to “industry standard” and I was called every name in the book and all the keyboard warriors said...profit margin..blah blah blah...will accept nothing less...blah blah..you management troll!!
And here you go, the same people are saying this deal looks good...or saying it looks bad and won’t make any excuses while making every excuse why it’s worthy of yes.
This is actually quite hilarious.
And here you go, the same people are saying this deal looks good...or saying it looks bad and won’t make any excuses while making every excuse why it’s worthy of yes.
This is actually quite hilarious.
Agreed. They all whined and name called yet now they defend but still name call. Consider the source and their naivety.
Last edited by RadarColor; 01-17-2018 at 07:16 AM.
01-17-2018, 07:27 AM
#476
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Posts: 549
01-17-2018, 08:11 AM
#477
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: Yellow Bus
Posts: 355
I'm curious, which mainline or LCC has language like Spirit with 4days off required to be built into every award?
I'm pretty sure none. So, tell me again how PBS is going to zap open time and cause the QOL to disappear?
BTW, what do you blowhards think the monetary value of that 4 days/off language is? In other words, how much per/hr is factored into the pay rates that have been agreed to?
I'm pretty sure none. So, tell me again how PBS is going to zap open time and cause the QOL to disappear?
BTW, what do you blowhards think the monetary value of that 4 days/off language is? In other words, how much per/hr is factored into the pay rates that have been agreed to?
We need to read the language and see the minimum windows each month, that will determine how well we can control our days off.
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01-17-2018, 08:55 AM
#478
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: Yellow Bus
Posts: 355
for reference::
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
01-17-2018, 09:21 AM
#480
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 409
for reference::
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
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