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Old 01-17-2018 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by medeco
I'm curious, which mainline or LCC has language like Spirit with 4days off required to be built into every award?
I'm pretty sure none. So, tell me again how PBS is going to zap open time and cause the QOL to disappear?

BTW, what do you blowhards think the monetary value of that 4 days/off language is? In other words, how much per/hr is factored into the pay rates that have been agreed to?
I can tell you the 4 days off provision is essentially useless with this agreement because I’m willing to bet 29/7 is gone with it.

With PBS, it’ll attempt to built you a schedule within certain credit hours. You can ask for any schedule / days off you want. However, if you do not waive your 4 days off requirement, the only way it can generate a schedule for you is most likely be a 5/6on 4off type schedule, disregarding your days off requests in order to built you something within its credit requirement. Sure you’ll get your 4 days off, but it’s meaningless because PBS will not built you a transition conflict, and depends on your previous month’s schedule, your 5/6on 4off schedule pattern will already be determined.

So if you want any say in your schedule at all, you basically will have to waive the 4 days off requirement.

Boom
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
I can tell you the 4 days off provision is essentially useless with this agreement because I’m willing to bet 29/7 is gone with it.

With PBS, it’ll attempt to built you a schedule within certain credit hours. You can ask for any schedule / days off you want. However, if you do not waive your 4 days off requirement, the only way it can generate a schedule for you is most likely be a 5/6on 4off type schedule, disregarding your days off requests in order to built you something within its credit requirement. Sure you’ll get your 4 days off, but it’s meaningless because PBS will not built you a transition conflict, and depends on your previous month’s schedule, your 5/6on 4off schedule pattern will already be determined.

So if you want any say in your schedule at all, you basically will have to waive the 4 days off requirement.

Boom
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
I can tell you the 4 days off provision is essentially useless with this agreement because I’m willing to bet 29/7 is gone with it.

With PBS, it’ll attempt to built you a schedule within certain credit hours. You can ask for any schedule / days off you want. However, if you do not waive your 4 days off requirement, the only way it can generate a schedule for you is most likely be a 5/6on 4off type schedule, disregarding your days off requests in order to built you something within its credit requirement. Sure you’ll get your 4 days off, but it’s meaningless because PBS will not built you a transition conflict, and depends on your previous month’s schedule, your 5/6on 4off schedule pattern will already be determined.

So if you want any say in your schedule at all, you basically will have to waive the 4 days off requirement.

Boom
Do you see our lines now? 6 days in a row is already the norm.. and In that 6 days you get what? 27/28 hours? If I'm gonna work 5/6 days might as well credit 32or something and make $6300 for the week compared to the $3600 I get now. And well have to see it, but assuming monthly guarantee days off will stay the same
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
Do you see our lines now? 6 days in a row is already the norm.. and In that 6 days you get what? 27/28 hours? If I'm gonna work 5/6 days might as well credit 32or something and make $6300 for the week compared to the $3600 I get now. And well have to see it, but assuming monthly guarantee days off will stay the same
Yes, but with line bidding you bid for the days off you want regardless if there’s a transition conflict or not, and get extra days off paid if there is. Win win. PBS, if you happen to work the last 6 days of the month, your pattern for next month will start with 4 days on. Or if have the last 4 days off, your pattern will start as 6 on, the days you need off be damned unless you waive your 4 off right.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
Yes, but with line bidding you bid for the days off you want regardless if there’s a transition conflict or not, and get extra days off paid if there is. Win win. PBS, if you happen to work the last 6 days of the month, your pattern for next month will start with 4 days on. Or if have the last 4 days off, your pattern will start as 6 on, the days you need off be damned unless you waive your 4 off right.
And what happens if you aren’t senior enough to hold those days off?, lol

There are bo gaurantess with line bidding
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
Yes, but with line bidding you bid for the days off you want regardless if there’s a transition conflict or not, and get extra days off paid if there is. Win win. PBS, if you happen to work the last 6 days of the month, your pattern for next month will start with 4 days on. Or if have the last 4 days off, your pattern will start as 6 on, the days you need off be damned unless you waive your 4 off right.
If you need the last few days or first few days of the month, even under our current line bid comes down to seniority. Just because we have current line bidding doesn’t mean you are guaranteed anything off . Under any system getting days off you want, regardless of where they fall in the month is a matter of seniority.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:47 AM
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I am suprised that no one here has mentioned our concession of schedule integrity. I know that it is "industry standard" for a company to be able to reassign you within your footprint but the company can't do that right now and it hurts them bad. I think this is as big or bigger concession than PBS. PBS helps them with the monthly operation but our rescheduling language will help them day to day. It would be a huge concession.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
And what happens if you aren’t senior enough to hold those days off?, lol

There are bo gaurantess with line bidding
What are we debating here? Someone asked what the company value the 4 days off provision at. In my opinion, it has little to value to them if with pbs, transition conflicts are gone and the 29/7 limit is gone. Because whether you have 4 days off or not in between, they’ll be getting plenty of work out of you the rest of the month.

The upside with losing 29/7 is that you can be more efficient, win for both sides, unless you play with conflicts a lot.

Not waiving your 4 days off may constraint your schedule wants, unless your want is strictly 5/6 on and 4 off. The company won’t care whether you waive it or not.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
What are we debating here? Someone asked what the company value the 4 days off provision at. In my opinion, it has little to value to them if with pbs, transition conflicts are gone and the 29/7 limit is gone. Because whether you have 4 days off or not in between, they’ll be getting plenty of work out of you the rest of the month.

The upside with losing 29/7 is that you can be more efficient, win for both sides, unless you play with conflicts a lot.

Not waiving your 4 days off may constraint your schedule wants, unless your want is strictly 5/6 on and 4 off. The company won’t care whether you waive it or not.
I see, sorry, lol. I agree with you here
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Old 01-17-2018 | 05:19 AM
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lol

I'll sit back and wait for facts, instead of assumptions.
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