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01-30-2018 | 12:56 PM

#951

astral

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I'm astonished that people will vote for this.
Just curious as to why?

Don't you believe improvements will be gained in the next round by June?

Scope!
Calendar day min, NOT duty day (14hr 4 days!)
RES drops unrestricted
Current Schedule integrity
ect.

Do we really undervalue ourselves that much?

01-30-2018 | 01:26 PM

#952

ZebraMan

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Originally Posted by astral

"Mommy, mommy...that scary man is back with his demands again, including whatever "ect" is."

Whatever it is, this contract better have "ect"

And like that, we have a TA

01-30-2018 | 01:50 PM

#953

Bahamasflyer

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Just wondering, how is the current LTD structured? Is it crappy because it doesn't have same occupation, or is it still same occupation but with a small % payout?

01-30-2018 | 01:51 PM

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ZebraMan

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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer

Just wondering, how is the current LTD structured? Is it crappy because it doesn't have same occupation, or is it still same occupation but with a small % payout?

Crap for both...small pay and only for a few years for own occupation. It’s essentially worthless to have without some sort of after market supplemental you buy

01-30-2018 | 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZebraMan

Crap for both...small pay and only for a few years for own occupation. It’s essentially worthless to have without some sort of after market supplemental you buy

Damn.....that sure is a $hit sandwich then. Now I can see why so many want to get the pain over with and vote yes.

01-30-2018 | 01:57 PM

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Planepirate

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Originally Posted by astral

How did you already have time to see and read the entire TA?

01-30-2018 | 02:49 PM

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Macjet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by astral

Calendar day min, NOT duty day (14hr 4 days!)

This is very misleading and trolling at best. The proposed rigs of 1:3.5 duty would make a 4 day (96 hours) pay a minimum of 27.4 hours. You're ludicrous example of a '4 day' paying 14 hours is actually 2 days and one hour (14 X 3.5=49). You're example would require a 2300 show on calendar day 1, day 2, a day 3 block in at 2359, and a duty off at 0029 day 4. Four calendars are touched but that's hardly a 4 day trip. That two day trip paying 14 hours isn't too bad and is better than the current DFW-PHX-DFW that pays 13.5 and doesn't return until 0530'ish.

It's really hard to have meaningful discussions with so many Chicken Little's running around.

01-30-2018 | 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Macjet

This is very misleading and trolling at best. The proposed rigs of 1:3.5 duty would make a 4 day (96 hours) pay a minimum of 27.4 hours. You're ludicrous example of a '4 day' paying 14 hours is actually 2 days and one hour (14 X 3.5=49). You're example would require a 2300 show on calendar day 1, day 2, a day 3 block in at 2359, and a duty off at 0029 day 4. Four calendars are touched but that's hardly a 4 day trip. That two day trip paying 14 hours isn't too bad and is better than the current DFW-PHX-DFW that pays 13.5 and doesn't return until 0530'ish.
It's really hard to have meaningful discussions with so many Chicken Little's running around.

Thanks, have made the exact same point twice already, get no response from op, some other idiot shows up saying the same thing again.....