Here's the thread that discussed it:

How does this TA compare with rejected TA?

 

Thank you for providing that evidence.

 

Man I am not arguing which way to vote on this TA. Those two examples are not comparable, it was SWA and Delta management they are dealing with. We are dealing with Spirt Management, and I could see them delaying another TA for a long time just because of their egos. So if you vote No realize that you could be living with this current contract for a year or two. If you vote yes realize that you could be living with the new contract for 6 to 8 years. Read the TA and then decide is my only point.

 

Astral has referenced SWA and Delta only. Those are not even remotely comparable to our situation and those guys risked little to get what they wanted. Even if it wasn't "little", it would cost us substantially more if we got stuck under this contract.

What he WON'T reference are his previous carriers where he turned down a substantial gain in pay, (possibly) IS scope and LTD and and received or aquire additional gains.

He thinks risking this one is tantamount to risking what was probably a 10-15% gain with really nothing else. He has stated he is willing to "wager" it all and bets we'll have some sort of a coup by waiting an additional 6-12 months.

Honestly he reminds me of the guy who sold it all, went to Vegas and bet it all on black. Of course that guy won and apparently, I can only guess, we should approach this TA with same kind reckless abandon??

As stated before I'm all for holding out, but it will longer than 3 months without a doubt. The rumors of the NC or MEC stepping have to come from somewhere and that alone would probably take 6 months not to mention training a new negotiating team.

Done with this one too.

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Gee, I wonder if the veiled and not so veiled threats of resignations are part of the sales pitch? It seems to me that would be unnecessary as under the current conditions the union probably has the best deal they possibly could. A no vote changes those conditions and will undoubtedly cause the company to come up. The question is how much and in how long. Before anyone says they could hold out indefinitely consider if that is the case why do we even have the offer we have now.

 

I’ve been waiting for his response as well. He’s proclaimed it has happened twice in his career, but has provided no numbers or airlines he was employed where said actions happened. I’m glad I’m not the only one waiting on his FACTS.

 

A honest question, your presumption is the union won’t resign. What if they do? Which is a worst case scenario and which scenario would you rather plan on? I always plan on worst case scenario, gives me more options.

 

I think it is possible they will. Possible because they feel like we have voted no confidence in them which I think if the contract is voted down would be a false assumption for the reasons I stated above. Another possibility is they would resign in anger over the no vote which would also be sad and I would hope would not happen. Either way I don't think that should factor in to a decision to vote for or against the TA. I can't base the a vote on the contract I will have to live under for the next 8 years on hurting or not hurting someones feelings or worrying it will take a few months to gear back up. I have to base my vote on whats best for me and if I think we are being short changed and can do better. I'm pretty sure the company refused to go higher than they though it would take to get a 51% yes vote. I don't know if that will be good enough for me and I'm pretty sure they will come up if they see it will actually take more to get to 51%. They must have some reason for wanting this done because it is clear the cheapest option for them is continued stonewalling.

 

Either way, they stay GREAT! What if they don’t? I can only assume the worst. I see no coherent plan B. Again, who would step up, man up? I have heard NOTHING.... (Again, not fully decided, need to see language, blah de blah de blah de blah.... Same **** everyone else says either side of the fence, blah de blah de blah de blah....)

 

Veiled threat sales pitch? Resign out of anger? Do you even know the three guys on the NC? Just because you read it on the internet doesn’t make it legitimate. Here’s an idea: why don’t you wait til next week and ASK them?