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#483
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,695
Took voting down TA1 for starters. We got TA2 about a year later. It still fell a bit short in some areas, but we ended up getting a B-plan and industry-leading 737 pay until Delta got their TA and UAL matched them effectively passing us.
#484
There has been no mention yet of the plight of 29/7, you think it is gone.
And how does your calculation work if it is not?
What we know is that Red/Green remains, 4 days remains, JA language remains, deliveries of one AC a month continue, reserve coverage will remain above industry average but will drop from current high.
What is not known is the IROP / reschedule language.
And how does your calculation work if it is not?
What we know is that Red/Green remains, 4 days remains, JA language remains, deliveries of one AC a month continue, reserve coverage will remain above industry average but will drop from current high.
What is not known is the IROP / reschedule language.
#487
for reference::
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.
4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day
with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.
my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)
my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.
current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY!
new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR
lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920
I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.
If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS
OH..and these are all commutable.
#488
I am suprised that no one here has mentioned our concession of schedule integrity. I know that it is "industry standard" for a company to be able to reassign you within your footprint but the company can't do that right now and it hurts them bad. I think this is as big or bigger concession than PBS. PBS helps them with the monthly operation but our rescheduling language will help them day to day. It would be a huge concession.
Me too, me three...
#489
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 68
4 days off is useless with PBS. I'm in favor of PBS, you can get way better, customized schedules, Union will choose vendor which is huge. You guys that haven't worked under PBS yet will see that you will build your own schedule. 3 days off, 4, 5, whatever you want, YOU are in charge, not the company. so 4 days off is something we should've given away to get extra minimum days off. The company knows we "perceive" it as value, but it has none in the PBS world. Everyone will waive it, you'll see. To get the schedule you want, and trips you want, you'll do 3 days off this week to have 5+ next week.
We need to read the language and see the minimum windows each month, that will determine how well we can control our days off.
We need to read the language and see the minimum windows each month, that will determine how well we can control our days off.
(was also my 8 years experience at Regional, flying under PBS)
#490
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: Yellow Bus
Posts: 355
I don't think you understand how pairing generation works. Our pairings are generated based off our route network and structure, We only operate 1-2 flights/day between cities. We won't have SWA or regional style flying because we don't have 800 airplanes and we don't do 8 flights/day to 20 different cities from a hub. We are severely limited to our marketing and route structure. You are "guessing" the trips will change, that they will cram in flying up to 14 hours a day with short layovers. That's regional mentality. Personally, I don't think they will change much, if at all, If they could, they would lower all our layovers NOW to under 22, as to not pay us, yet I consistently get 22+ hour layovers. It'll be the same. They don't build super-efficient trips, because they can't. It won't change with PBS, There's no magic involved with PBS, same pairings, we just pick where we want them in our schedule. This is just my opinion. not worth much :P
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