We got an AIP!
01-17-2018, 03:46 PM
#511
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01-17-2018, 04:52 PM
#514
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#Verdad. Aguilas, arepas, and amor. The city is a bit of a hike from Rionegro though.
A long MDE would be almost as dangerous as a PTY overnight, wouldn't be a month before at least one crew member missed a duty in if we overnighted there.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread. Y'all may resume the bickering now.
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01-17-2018, 06:08 PM
#515
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This is a cost neutral offer, pure and simple.
Spirit received substantial tax benefits, but unlike the legacies, failed to share the wealth.
PBS alone will pay for the pay increase.
Do NOT accept a per duty period 5hr rig.
It must be calendar day.
14hr 4 day pairings...
VOTE NO!
Spirit received substantial tax benefits, but unlike the legacies, failed to share the wealth.
PBS alone will pay for the pay increase.
Do NOT accept a per duty period 5hr rig.
It must be calendar day.
14hr 4 day pairings...
VOTE NO!
How did you arrive at cost neutral? I want facts and numbers not speculation and emotion.
01-17-2018, 06:20 PM
#516
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Too easy. I'm just going to take all ya guys ideas and show it to my management so we know wat to do if u guys vote down this TA we are offering. We know now what everyone is truely afraid of. SCOPEEE, LTD etc!!
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01-17-2018, 06:26 PM
#517
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I agree but we have to have one or the other and some people are so blinded by the 4 (5) days. If it gets waived permanently the unproductive nature of our route structure would have everyone on 13 days off. If we don’t have 16days off min we have to keep the 4 (5) days off because it keeps average days off up.
01-17-2018, 06:30 PM
#518
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PBS alone saves a min of 20%.
ADD to that:
No transition.
VAC/GS/SIM drops?
150%/200% DOT pick up, is a concession which reduces RES coverage and CS staffing.
Still no info on Res drops.
Schedule integrity is a must!
No full retro, meaning NK saved millions for the last 2.5 years.
Their stall tactics are being rewarded by us!
The 75mil to be split, is a minute fraction of the new corporate welfare tax breaks.
No profit sharing.
NO calendar day min=14hr 4 days
This is a 4 year deal (which means 6+)
Expect a considerable pay disadvantage in less than two years and concessionary negotiations next time around.
Bendo will get another bonus if this POS passes.
VOTE NO!
ADD to that:
No transition.
VAC/GS/SIM drops?
150%/200% DOT pick up, is a concession which reduces RES coverage and CS staffing.
Still no info on Res drops.
Schedule integrity is a must!
No full retro, meaning NK saved millions for the last 2.5 years.
Their stall tactics are being rewarded by us!
The 75mil to be split, is a minute fraction of the new corporate welfare tax breaks.
No profit sharing.
NO calendar day min=14hr 4 days
This is a 4 year deal (which means 6+)
Expect a considerable pay disadvantage in less than two years and concessionary negotiations next time around.
Bendo will get another bonus if this POS passes.
VOTE NO!
As stated before though it is a five year deal.
Do the good outweigh the bad is the question. The good list is certainly shorter than the bad but may be much more valuable in the future. We have to see the language though.
01-17-2018, 06:34 PM
#519
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IF we vote it down we absolutely want them to know why. There is a point in negotiation In a complex deal where both sides need to know exactly what the other side wants.
01-17-2018, 06:37 PM
#520
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And wat if mgmt didn't know they had so much leverage with offering scope and LTD? Now they will deff know. Give them more bargaining power to take away more work rules if u really want scope and ltd on TA2
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