We got an AIP!
01-26-2018 | 10:13 PM
#851
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From: A320 CA
Hearing quite a few rumblings that the NC/MEC actually WANTS us to vote this TA down. Has anyone else hear anything like this? Apparently, they were backed into a corner and fought a losing battle. The NMB was squarely on the company's side and was blinded by the 43% pay raise and refused to let any of the concessions weigh in on the decision. The MEC/NC had their hands tied, they were out of leverage, and wants the word to get out that if this thing gets voted down, they will have the leverage to get us what they intended to the entire time. Obviously the Union just can't come out and say this, but I thought it was worthy of a post to see if anyone else had heard this.
Fake news.
01-27-2018 | 02:18 AM
#852
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From: A320 CA
Hearing quite a few rumblings that the NC/MEC actually WANTS us to vote this TA down. Has anyone else hear anything like this? Apparently, they were backed into a corner and fought a losing battle. The NMB was squarely on the company's side and was blinded by the 43% pay raise and refused to let any of the concessions weigh in on the decision. The MEC/NC had their hands tied, they were out of leverage, and wants the word to get out that if this thing gets voted down, they will have the leverage to get us what they intended to the entire time. Obviously the Union just can't come out and say this, but I thought it was worthy of a post to see if anyone else had heard this.
01-27-2018 | 03:03 AM
#853
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From: NK CA
Hearing quite a few rumblings that the NC/MEC actually WANTS us to vote this TA down. Has anyone else hear anything like this? Apparently, they were backed into a corner and fought a losing battle. The NMB was squarely on the company's side and was blinded by the 43% pay raise and refused to let any of the concessions weigh in on the decision. The MEC/NC had their hands tied, they were out of leverage, and wants the word to get out that if this thing gets voted down, they will have the leverage to get us what they intended to the entire time. Obviously the Union just can't come out and say this, but I thought it was worthy of a post to see if anyone else had heard this.
01-27-2018 | 03:41 AM
#855
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Hearing quite a few rumblings that the NC/MEC actually WANTS us to vote this TA down. Has anyone else hear anything like this? Apparently, they were backed into a corner and fought a losing battle. The NMB was squarely on the company's side and was blinded by the 43% pay raise and refused to let any of the concessions weigh in on the decision. The MEC/NC had their hands tied, they were out of leverage, and wants the word to get out that if this thing gets voted down, they will have the leverage to get us what they intended to the entire time. Obviously the Union just can't come out and say this, but I thought it was worthy of a post to see if anyone else had heard this.
I heard the same thing. That’s why we got the exact same offer the company sent out to us 4 months ago!
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01-27-2018 | 04:11 AM
#856
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I don't think the NC/MEC want this to fail. I truly believe this is the best deal the NC could have gotten at the moment. That being said, if you are not satisfied with the deal, please don't vote yes out of fear of the unknown. A lot of people are trying to scare us about the unknowns of voting no. Sure, there are a lot of negative things that COULD happen if we vote it down. But that is exactly what the company wants you to think about since it distracts you from how pathetic this offer is. They can't wait forever for a deal. They already said they won't confirm an aircraft order until the pilot contract is nailed down. They need this too, so find a little courage deep down inside yourself, and vote no if you aren't satisfied after reading the TA. I know it's scary, but we are professionals and we shouldn't vote a deal in unless it compensates us accordingly. Don't sell your soul to the devil! If we vote yes and lock ourselves in to near-bottom rates, this contract will end only two years into the next aircraft order. Chances are the company will have years after that before there is any pressure from needing a new order. We could easily be stuck with this deal for 8 years or more. To me, that is scarier than any unknown of voting no. I believe we have used up all of our leverage unless we vote no.
01-27-2018 | 04:19 AM
#857
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I don't think the NC/MEC want this to fail. I truly believe this is the best deal the NC could have gotten at the moment. That being said, if you are not satisfied with the deal, please don't vote yes out of fear of the unknown. A lot of people are trying to scare us about the unknowns of voting no. Sure, there are a lot of negative things that COULD happen if we vote it down. But that is exactly what the company wants you to think about since it distracts you from how pathetic this offer is. They can't wait forever for a deal. They already said they won't confirm an aircraft order until the pilot contract is nailed down. They need this too, so find a little courage deep down inside yourself, and vote no if you aren't satisfied after reading the TA. I know it's scary, but we are professionals and we shouldn't vote a deal in unless it compensates us accordingly. Don't sell your soul to the devil! If we vote yes and lock ourselves in to near-bottom rates, this contract will end only two years into the next aircraft order. Chances are the company will have years after that before there is any pressure from needing a new order. We could easily be stuck with this deal for 8 years or more. To me, that is scarier than any unknown of voting no. I believe we have used up all of our leverage unless we vote no.
Nailed it!!
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01-27-2018 | 04:46 AM
#858
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I don't think the NC/MEC want this to fail. I truly believe this is the best deal the NC could have gotten at the moment. That being said, if you are not satisfied with the deal, please don't vote yes out of fear of the unknown. A lot of people are trying to scare us about the unknowns of voting no. Sure, there are a lot of negative things that COULD happen if we vote it down. But that is exactly what the company wants you to think about since it distracts you from how pathetic this offer is. They can't wait forever for a deal. They already said they won't confirm an aircraft order until the pilot contract is nailed down. They need this too, so find a little courage deep down inside yourself, and vote no if you aren't satisfied after reading the TA. I know it's scary, but we are professionals and we shouldn't vote a deal in unless it compensates us accordingly. Don't sell your soul to the devil! If we vote yes and lock ourselves in to near-bottom rates, this contract will end only two years into the next aircraft order. Chances are the company will have years after that before there is any pressure from needing a new order. We could easily be stuck with this deal for 8 years or more. To me, that is scarier than any unknown of voting no. I believe we have used up all of our leverage unless we vote no.
Continuing the trip averaging b.s. is the tipping point that put me in the no vote group.
01-27-2018 | 05:28 AM
#860
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For the pilots that plan on staying here, think about how this new TA will affect YOU for the next 8 years!!!!!!
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