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Old 01-29-2018 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
Still not sure why everyone is so excited about this and the "potential" pay rates. Just a quick look shows that JetBlue's 5 year FO makes more than the proposed one they sent out!
And JetBlue is IN negotiations.....
We will be at that place AFTER voting this turd in.....
Once again, last place....
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Old 01-29-2018 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Acehole
And JetBlue is IN negotiations.....
We will be at that place AFTER voting this turd in.....
Once again, last place....
Have you read the latest email from JB N/C? Lol.

They will be lucky to end up at current Alaska rates with probably the same horrendous healthcare they have now. They have terrible Codeshare language and they arent too close to finishing this.

The company also has $300,000,000.00 in the bank, not all that great considering this climate, highly doubt they see any type of signing bonus and because this is their first CBA there sure as sh-t wont be “retro”.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Have you read the latest email from JB N/C? Lol.

They will be lucky to end up at current Alaska rates with probably the same horrendous healthcare they have now. They have terrible Codeshare language and they arent too close to finishing this.

The company also has $300,000,000.00 in the bank, not all that great considering this climate, highly doubt they see any type of signing bonus and because this is their first CBA there sure as sh-t wont be “retro”.
I just hope we get bought by a real airline...
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Old 01-29-2018 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Acehole
I just hope we get bought by a real airline...
That is the best case scenario.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Have you read the latest email from JB N/C? Lol.

They will be lucky to end up at current Alaska rates with probably the same horrendous healthcare they have now. They have terrible Codeshare language and they arent too close to finishing this.

The company also has $300,000,000.00 in the bank, not all that great considering this climate, highly doubt they see any type of signing bonus and because this is their first CBA there sure as sh-t wont be “retro”.
Yes- as much as Im glad to be at B6 over Spirit, You guys will have better pay rates/benefits for the foreseeable future upon a yes vote. Our management is incompetent and only a strike will wake them up. Good luck to you guys.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
so they will build 3 day trips starting 1am, ending 11pm paying 15 hours but uncommutable both ends, have 70 hr TAFB, compared to 4 day, 62 hr TAFB commutable both ends paying over 17 hr.
Yeah, that is a great improvement....
I believe a 3.5 RIG would make your example a 20 hour 3 day trip.

Without a 5 hr per calendar day minimum, and taking a concession on the 22 hour layover language currently in place, we would have 10 hour 3 day trips (based on the bullet points).
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Old 01-29-2018 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Yes- as much as Im glad to be at B6 over Spirit, You guys will have better pay rates/benefits for the foreseeable future upon a yes vote. Our management is incompetent and only a strike will wake them up. Good luck to you guys.
You’ll get what you deserve just going to take a little time. F ‘em and keep up the good fight
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Old 01-29-2018 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
PBS is their incentive, it benefits them, not us.
So what is their incentive once they have transition, yet to be seen IROP/rescheduling language, no more swiss-cheese reserve lines, lower rigs, and aren't having to pay for additional software? That is the answer I'll be looking for.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lowandslow
So what is their incentive once they have transition, yet to be seen IROP/rescheduling language, no more swiss-cheese reserve lines, lower rigs, and aren't having to pay for additional software? That is the answer I'll be looking for.
I’m not following what you’re saying. It sounds like you’re saying unless we incentivize the company to implement PBS they’re gonna stall the process.???? Why do we care if they stall implementing PBS? Because we won’t get the rigs I guess is what you’re sayng, well they won’t get the added efficiencies of PBS.

I think they’re still gonna want PBS because it’ll make the operation more efficient, less pilots and all. I dunno, guess I’ll wait to see the TA before I overthink this to death.

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Old 01-30-2018 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CMFIC
I believe a 3.5 RIG would make your example a 20 hour 3 day trip.

Without a 5 hr per calendar day minimum, and taking a concession on the 22 hour layover language currently in place, we would have 10 hour 3 day trips (based on the bullet points).
My example was just to point out that only looking at calendar vs duty period is very short sighted. Duty/trip rigs are very important. A 3 day trip paying 10 hours means maximum 35 hours TAFB. Check in 11pm day 1, done day 3 10am, yes, it is a 3 day trip but gone from home only one full day. If you have no Trip rigs: check in at 1am day one, work till 11pm day two, TAFB 46 hours. Pays 10 hours, gone from home 2 whole days.
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