-Wrong.. 117 is used in conjunction with FAR (121.471) and your contract to set parameters for PBS.

- Dropped? With PBS zero, simply because it will not let you fly, bid, or swap for anything illegal or whichever parameters PBS is set too.

What PBS will do is this.. let saay you’ve been flying 90 hour lines for 10 months, you’re at 900 hours of block, PBS will now consider the fact you can only fly 100 block hours over the next 2 month. It will now limit you to 50 hours per month. If you have monthly guarantee that’s great, you’ll get your guarantee if you don’t, well guess what? 50 hours of pay.
How about vacation?? Oh your vacation starts on Fri? Good we can legally fly you till 23:59 on Thursday.. End on Wends? Great 5AM report on Thursday.

 

80-85 is about 15hrs more than i usually credit. Sorry for the Credit *****s who plan their finances on 120+ months.

Also, nobody knows what the VAC language is yet.......

 

Well, we are low tier pilots after all.

 

This is an incredibly personal choice. There have been some very valid points made about how voting this in gives us some security in the form of scope and ltd. One thing I would like to point out is that the company negotiators are incredibly talented, and they have a great poker face. Our leverage isn't even the fact that hiring is going to get harder without a deal. Our leverage is transition conflict as well as our inflexible rescheduling rules. This airline almost falls apart every month at transition time, as well as any time there is a major weather event. This was a problem when we had 45 airplanes, but the problem for Spirit is going to be huge as we get closer to the 160 mark. Spirit management is incredibly patient and they haven't let on that they need this as bad as they really do. I personally will look at the TA as a whole when it comes out, but knowing this truth will help me vote no if I deem it necessary. They need industry standard flexibility even more than we need industry standard pay.

 

Block and credit are two entirely different things. Plenty of Delta pilot credit big numbers. I have family at united that had a high credit month last month.

Who said anything about losing min guarantee.

We haven’t seen the language.

Again nothing will stop you from picking up open flying if you’re legal. Same as now.

 

- Thanks

- No one

- You will; right after you vote in the TA. Ask for the language before you guys vote.

- Hopefully Spirit will implement DA or UA PBS parameters. Ask your “family” at United if ALPA had a saying in vendor selection process? My guess is ALPA had s lot of involvement with PBS at DA and UA. Regardless best of luck. Seems like most are for the potential TA .

 

Bingo. Required number of pilots goes down with PBS.

 

+1000000000

 

Yeah man, I suggested a TA will only come about if it’s no full retro, no legacy rates, pbs...it’ll take multiple steps to get to “industry standard” and I was called every name in the book and all the keyboard warriors said...profit margin..blah blah blah...will accept nothing less...blah blah..you management troll!!

And here you go, the same people are saying this deal looks good...or saying it looks bad and won’t make any excuses while making every excuse why it’s worthy of yes.

This is actually quite hilarious.

 

How about you qualify which PBS system you work under before you paint with the big brush. Which company and which vendor. That will explain a lot.