It’s relatively common for first year FO’s pretty much anywhere, but major airline captains leaving to start over on the bottom somewhere else aside from maybe 1 oddball here and there?

 

I've heard the current vacation slide mentioned several times on these boards implying that it's the reason you can get so many vacation days off in a row. The current CBA only allows you to slide into a conflict with concurrence from crew planning. The real difference between what we have now and what we would see under PBS is that you can currently bid a line that touches multiple pairings with your scheduled vacation week. This combined with the 4 days off makes it easy to stretch a week of vacation into 2 or more with minimal impact to your vacation bank. And this is without permission from crew planning, and without additional flying added to your "off" days. This translates to a lot of soft credit and days off in vacation months 2-5 months a year now that we'll be losing with PBS.

 

Yes that was kinda my point though I did throw slide in there. I’ve never tried using it as I get the conflicts w/o before getting to those choices.

 

And they've suggest you stop wearing both the red and the green. Who's the dumb ass? Nice try...done with you. The clearly obtuse can't be reasoned with.

 

Anybody for this TA or who is defending it just needs to use this link below and ingest the current proposal numbers and rules. You will find out very quickly its industry bottom not industry standard.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/jetblue2/Contract%20Comparison/JetBlue%20Contract%20Comparison.pdf

 

Pretty freaking pathetic

 

Did you not look at anything on the TA website? How about the broadcast of the roadshow?

 

For those that feel a yes vote is a prudent financial decision- have you ever thought how you may feel in our next negotiating cycle when we are grossly deficient compared to our peers in compensation and QOL? What do you think our leverage will be at that point?

Will you use the same "logic" that accepting an unacceptable contract next time around is somehow ok because we'd be operating under such a sh** contract? All this because of a vote in 2018 that seemed like a good idea at the time?

Have you thought about how our future NC might be able to encourage Spirit to pay us Industry Standard when we have no work rules to sell off and we operate within a segment of the industry that you endorsed as low tier in 2018?

A few cycles of this and you'll be ready for retirement- with a net worth that will likely be 7 figures lower than it should and a few thousand extra nights away from your family.

Ladies and gentlemen- we aren't negotiating for a one time 70k pre-tax "bonus." Your career depends more on this one vote than you realize.

 

My point exactly.^
What will we have to give up to get raises in 5-7 years, when ALL our QOL will be gone?
This QOL will be gone forever, not just 5 years!
Look beyond the $

 

No roadshow required to see we should vote YES so we can be not the worst paid... for a few minutes until b6 gets cba. At least we are competitive with emb175 rates.

Here is clip from LAS roadshow: