Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself, and it's refreshing to hear an adult response.

 

Yep. People living beyond their needs or being in debt from horrible first year pay played a big part this time around. Being financially stable gives you much more leverage. We litterally have captains that don’t contribute to their retirement to get the match. I guess they planned on living with their kids when they turn 65.

I shouldn’t expect differently results. There will still be plenty working paycheck to paycheck while their brand new car bakes in the employee lot 15 days a month. Makes complete sense.

 

What kinda crackhead lives paycheck to paycheck at 200k+ a year 🤣🤣

 

A very serious crackhead

 

If they are frustrated then that’s their problem. I wasn’t frustrated when Allegiant or sun country signed their contracts. And surprisingly we were able to negotiate substantially better. Our contract has very little to do with Frontier or JBlue getting the most they can get. But hey, we live in a generation where everyone is a victim, so play your victim cards and blame everything on everyone else.

 

Regarding - Invest wisely so we have more leverage...

Even if we each had $20 milllion in the bank it still would have been unwise to vote the last contract down. The decision is made based on picking the best option, given the negotiation circumstances/reality.

Having money in the bank has got nothing to do with it.

 

Hey guys first off congrats from another F9 guy. I'll be honest as I've only seen bits and pieces of your TA and don't know a lot about your last contract but from what I've understood, you used to have pay protection on transition conflicts with your line bidding. Now with PBS obviously that will go away.

I'd assume you could probably somewhat easily be able to get 10 hrs of protected pay per month averaged out over the year through these monthly transition conflicts.

At the old pay rate 85*185 = 15725
At the new rate 75*235 = 17625
Adjusted effective old rate = $209/hr

I know there were improvements in DC and such, but were there protections created in other areas to offset this loss? Again forgive my ignorance, I'm asking these questions to reduce said ignorance. And congrats, hopefully for all our sake we at F9 can raise the bar a little higher.

 

It is very (or was) very difficult to hit transition every month for most guys. It was a minority ...............

 

Ok, makes sense. If it costs the company money they avoid it.

At F9, since we are not pay protected for these drops they seem very prevalent. I'd say I get them 90% of the time and typically will loose out. Carrying in say 7-9 hours and loosing a 19-20 trip because of it. Then because of the way the trips are constructed and lower quality lines it can be difficult to pick back up to original line value without working an additional 1-2 days more than the original line.

I essentially figured your system would be likened to an inverse of ours (easily loosing 10 hrs a month if not working additional days), but again, if it costs the company money they will work harder to avoid it.

 

You are exactly right; Yes voters did not vote yes necessarily out of need for more money, they voted yes because they realized this was probably the best deal, and took the deal.

Qotsaautopilot preaching his opinions again to the masses...sure, every yes voter lives paycheck to paycheck and the no voters have cash in the bank to wait for the next deal. What a idiotic position