Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2891753)

Macjet, Go Full Retard!!!

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 2891927)

Looks like Condor/Thomas Cook have a total of 51 Airbus.... be nice if we scoop some of those up.

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 2891927)

Looks like Condor/Thomas Cook have a total of 51 Airbus.... be nice if we scoop some of those up.

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 2891927)

Looks like Condor/Thomas Cook have a total of 51 Airbus.... be nice if we scoop some of those up.

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2891633)

Yeah not always. A friend of mine had a class date at UPS and came to Spirit instead. As far as he is concerned it’s the best decision he has ever made. I have also met people who chose NK over AK, HA and JB. Go back to trashing Spirit now...

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2891945)

I'm here and not leaving, but any newhire who chooses NK over the big 6 has some splaining to do.

Originally Posted by offmyrocker (Post 2891957)

big 6? Thought it was just big 3?!? Who did i miss?!

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2891958)

ual, dl, aa, swa, ups, fdx

And yes, Alaska is not on the list...

Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 2891927)

Looks like Condor/Thomas Cook have a total of 51 Airbus.... be nice if we scoop some of those up.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2891945)

I'm here and not leaving, but any newhire who chooses NK over the big 6 has some splaining to do.

Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 2891997)

It’s their choice and, they probably do it for what’s best for him or her and their family. They don’t have to explain anything.

Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2892068)

Exactly. Filler...

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2892093)

Judging by your profile picture, you’re someone I could have a beer with.

Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2891970)

Lol Alaska, that place has no future besides being bought out. Also some people don’t want to fly freight.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2891945)

I'm here and not leaving, but any newhire who chooses NK over the big 6 has some splaining to do.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2892157)

I probably do more nights than the average cargo pilot...

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2892345)

I do none sometimes one redeye a month. Unless you're in Vegas spirit is not a "omg red-eye every trip" airline. Frontier is much moreso.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2892345)

I do none sometimes one redeye a month. Unless you're in Vegas spirit is not a "omg red-eye every trip" airline. Frontier is much moreso.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2892889)

Does anyone else find it odd that we have been getting all these new planes but no new routes/destination announcements?

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2891940)

51? I thought it was like 23 or 25 321s and a handful of 330s which there's no way we will ever fly.

People that want spirit to go widebody are insane.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2894907)

I know right, you gotta be insane to want that widebody pay.

I know your just talking about Spirits bottom line but it’s funny when I fly with guys that say stuff like “I could never sit in a plane that long” or “I just want to only fly here in the good ‘ol US of A.” Im thinking, I bet for widebody pay you wouldn’t be thinking that. Especially how efficient the trips would be. Sure we wouldn’t make as much as the legacy carriers but it would relatively be more than our own narrow body pay.

Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2894910)

Having flown long haul, including doing so in the 330 (fantastic plane by the way) I can say with no BS that I most certainly would want nothing to do with it here at NK. I wouldn’t mind at all flying the rest of my career domestically (and the few ‘international’ routes we have which are cake) Additional pay would not entice me, the rest of you are welcome to it.

*further to that, I did it with amazing catering, first class hotels, and hot flight attendants, again you are all welcome to it...

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2894940)

Could you explain why? Was it because it was just hard on your body? You said it wouldn’t want to do it again but you didn’t list any reasons.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2894957)

The point I’m trying to make is look at airlines that have wide and narrow body. Tell me what is more senior and ask yourself why?

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2894966)

the answer is simple. More money, more time off.

Give me the equivalent amount of TAFB and paycheck as a widebody guy and you can take that 330 to your grave I'll take the 220,320 whatever.

Guys here ***** and moan about redeyes but you want a plane that does 100% redeyes? lol ok.


BOG is not the big deal that spirit makes it out to be. Ask any pilot who has flown anywhere with "complicated procedures" which BOG btw isn't. Try RNO, ASE, TEX, SUN, etcetcetc

Just because some florida guys who never cross the mississippi get oo'd and aw'd by some mountains and "complex" procedures and omgomg weight restrictions? doesn't mean that it's a complicated airport. It's not, get over it.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2894966)

the answer is simple. More money, more time off.

Give me the equivalent amount of TAFB and paycheck as a widebody guy and you can take that 330 to your grave I'll take the 220,320 whatever.

Guys here ***** and moan about redeyes but you want a plane that does 100% redeyes? lol ok.


BOG is not the big deal that spirit makes it out to be. Ask any pilot who has flown anywhere with "complicated procedures" which BOG btw isn't. Try RNO, ASE, TEX, SUN, etcetcetc

Just because some florida guys who never cross the mississippi get oo'd and aw'd by some mountains and "complex" procedures and omgomg weight restrictions? doesn't mean that it's a complicated airport. It's not, get over it.

Originally Posted by dotslash (Post 2894993)

You are God of Aviation. I am humble in your presence.

Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2894962)

For those who whine about back side of the clock flying, you cannot do long haul and avoid this. Yes it’s hard on the body, and an Airport hotel 45-60 minutes from central London or Paris gets just as old as one next to LGA. To avoid hitting another circadian rhythm the best layover times are less than 18 or over 30 hours, I’m guessing we won’t be doing the long ones. Etc etc.



Compared to Kathmandu, Bogota is quite manageable (I did BOG in a 777). QFE approaches with metric altitudes into Kazakhstan, or butterfly shaped double procedure turn VOR approaches which aren’t in the FMS into Peshawar.



No, because most of our routes are dispatched under FAA rules, not ICAO, that’s why.

As far as cooler, I mean, I guess...

Working out dispatch legalities for ETOPS, commercial cargo safety requirements, dealing with HF in remote areas, being 3 hours away from anything resembling a runway over the pole, and the intricacies of NAT OTS procedures isn't about being cooler, it’s that flying domestically in the US is really friggin easy and for me not worth a pay bump to do all that again.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2895142)

We don’t fly to Kathmandu or Kazakhstan nor do we do QFE approaches at metric altitudes so thats really not going to help you in Bogota

Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2895154)

That’s what you derived from my post?

I get it, Bogota intimidates you. Next time try the RNAV, works great and the check airman will give you a big wet kiss and one of the spirit pilot stickers.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2895176)

Ah, there you go. Now the attitude really comes out.

I guess you weren’t joking, those red-eyes really get to you!

Haha yeah and BTW I used to do BOG at my last job. I feel it’s pretty manageable too!

Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2895226)

Hey you two, thx for handling all the hard stuff for me! I never go south, my standards are to high.