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Omniscient 09-09-2019 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain (Post 2884278)
Phl and atl short. Horrible for a 16 hour overnight. Zero options for food. Not a single thing to do outside except stand in a parking lot.... let’s stop calling an 18 hour overnight short....

Should we call it a 16:45 overnight?

And the fact we gave it up for free,
Ugh

DickBurns 09-09-2019 06:47 PM

I thought this was about getting Delta's NEOs...

flyjbh 09-09-2019 06:47 PM

No, it’s just for whining .....


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The Localizer 09-09-2019 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by DickBurns (Post 2884291)
I thought this was about getting Delta's NEOs...

So look, none of us in this industry truly know anything until it happens and you can’t rule anything out....but we just installed another brand new a 320 sim, I believe we have 6 or 7 we wouldn’t keep adding stuff like this if we didn’t have a long term commitment to the plane. Lots of other stuff can happen, delivery slots can be swapped, options can be traded, but for delta to just give 100 planes and 100 options to a competitor is just likely not going to happen.

DickBurns 09-09-2019 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by The Localizer (Post 2884312)
So look, none of us in this industry truly know anything until it happens and you can’t rule anything out....but we just installed another brand new a 320 sim, I believe we have 6 or 7 we wouldn’t keep adding stuff like this if we didn’t have a long term commitment to the plane. Lots of other stuff can happen, delivery slots can be swapped, options can be traded, but for delta to just give 100 planes and 100 options to a competitor is just likely not going to happen.

I heard it is going to happen.

Qotsaautopilot 09-10-2019 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Stomper (Post 2884243)
New hotel policy sucks.
The new hotel policy under the new contract (and post PBS) has created far more short stay hotels as the company builds shorter layovers into the pairings.
Part of the savings the company has realized with the short stay hotels is the reduced need for private transportation since short stay hotels usually provide van service.
We’re also seeing far more short stay hotels which are not full service, meaning to hotel restaurant/bar and fake food for breakfast (powdered eggs, meat-like bacon).

Just because it’s s short stay the hotel quality should not be reduced. BOS short sucks. PIT short sucks. DFW short sucks. CMH short sucks.

All Hotels weather long or short should be full service and at least a Crowne Plaza/Marriott/Hilton/Sheraton quality.

This was my point. The only reason we had better hotels before was because crappy hotels weren’t available at the long locations. I like shorter drives but the hotel quality language sucks and it’s showing now. Short or long layover should be the same quality hotel and it should be 4-5 stars only

Sniper66 09-10-2019 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by DickBurns (Post 2884291)
I thought this was about getting Delta's NEOs...




You are funny

BeechedJet 09-10-2019 11:32 PM

Maybe we can use Delta’s NEOs as a place to sleep at night.

Qotsaautopilot 09-11-2019 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by BeechedJet (Post 2885141)
Maybe we can use Delta’s NEOs as a place to sleep at night.

In SLP I’d consider it

BlueSideUp85 09-12-2019 08:31 AM

Almost half way into the month and still no aircraft order announcement as promised in investors call. Can’t say that I’m surprised. I do wonder how investors feel though....being lead on and on about a new order and growing the airline.

MCDUmanipulator 09-12-2019 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSideUp85 (Post 2886016)
Almost half way into the month and still no aircraft order announcement as promised in investors call. Can’t say that I’m surprised. I do wonder how investors feel though....being lead on and on about a new order and growing the airline.

News flash the airline is growing....

BlueSideUp85 09-12-2019 08:56 AM

:eek: you don’t say....

Well my concerns have been laid to rest thank you.

flyjbh 09-12-2019 09:02 AM

Truthfully I think the investors care less about the aircraft order and more about the company’s performance. Now, the pilots really care about the aircraft order and if you are a pilot and an investor, then the investors care about an aircraft order....[emoji12]


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elmetal 09-12-2019 12:08 PM

Look at the stock price. That's how the investors feel. Stop reading into it.

Sherpa 09-12-2019 12:20 PM

As an investor I'd say get the house in order before taking on additional risk in the form of aircraft debt but I'd love to see sustainable growth at Spirit. Keep the planes full and strive for repeat customers. Celebrating a cancelled flight in front of stranded passengers isn't the smartest move and I see it all too often in the terminal. The revenue lost doesn't stop at just one flight if people are not going to come back in the future.

gripngrab 09-12-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSideUp85 (Post 2886016)
Almost half way into the month and still no aircraft order announcement as promised in investors call. Can’t say that I’m surprised. I do wonder how investors feel though....being lead on and on about a new order and growing the airline.

Last year there was mention of a late 2018/early 2019 order announcement on 2 of the earnings calls. More of the same this year. At least an additional 12 aircraft have been added to the final 2021 numbers this year.

Qotsaautopilot 09-12-2019 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 2886207)
As an investor I'd say get the house in order before taking on additional risk in the form of aircraft debt but I'd love to see sustainable growth at Spirit. Keep the planes full and strive for repeat customers. Celebrating a cancelled flight in front of stranded passengers isn't the smartest move and I see it all too often in the terminal. The revenue lost doesn't stop at just one flight if people are not going to come back in the future.

Man I hear ya. Some of the conversations I hear in the terminal and on the van in front of the public make me cringe. Mostly FAs but some pilots too. It’s like people don’t understand the the folks you are running your mouth around are the ones paying the money.

Omniscient 09-12-2019 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2886260)
Man I hear ya. Some of the conversations I hear in the terminal and on the van in front of the public make me cringe. Mostly FAs but some pilots too. It’s like people don’t understand the the folks you are running your mouth around are the ones paying the money.

FAs mainly, yup. It’s ridiculous. I’ve been deadheading and have had FAs talking openly about how they hope their next flight is canceled, and loud about it. Zero oversight on FAs. It’s amazing because it seems they have an enforceable list of a million things they can get “points”’for, yet nobody makes sure they get off their phone during boarding or have the window shades closed in the summer.

And as discussed, they get profit sharing IF we ever see it

squawkoff 09-13-2019 06:58 AM

Announcement today after the stock market closes? 100 320 NEO’s?

ropestart 09-13-2019 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 2886602)
Announcement today after the stock market closes? 100 320 NEO’s?

Would be nice to hear something!

nkbux 09-13-2019 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 2886602)
Announcement today after the stock market closes? 100 320 NEO’s?

Source?

Filler

putzin 09-13-2019 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by nkbux (Post 2886661)
Source?

Filler

He's asking, not making a statement, I think.

TrojanCMH 09-13-2019 11:25 AM

Possible Plane Order
 

Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2886343)
FAs mainly, yup. It’s ridiculous. I’ve been deadheading and have had FAs talking openly about how they hope their next flight is canceled, and loud about it. Zero oversight on FAs. It’s amazing because it seems they have an enforceable list of a million things they can get “points”’for, yet nobody makes sure they get off their phone during boarding or have the window shades closed in the summer.



And as discussed, they get profit sharing IF we ever see it



I never understood the “I hope it cancels” mentality. For one, you’re ruining a lot of people’s plans (vacations/funerals/birthdays/ births of a family member/etc) because you’re selfish and want to go have a drink at the hotel. Two, cancellations are never as easy as: “you’re cancelled, here’s a really nice hotel on the beach and a car is outside waiting to take you there.” It’s usually a major cluster F where you sit around for 2 hours waiting for them to find a hotel then you get minimum rest just to deadhead at the crack of dawn to pick up the rest of your trip.

Poser765 09-13-2019 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2886778)
I never understood the “I hope it cancels” mentality. For one, you’re ruining a lot of people’s plans (vacations/funerals/birthdays/ births of a family member/etc) because you’re selfish and want to go have a drink at the hotel. Two, cancellations are never as easy as: “you’re cancelled, here’s a really nice hotel on the beach and a car is outside waiting to take you there.” It’s usually a major cluster F where you sit around for 2 hours waiting for them to find a hotel then you get minimum rest just to deadhead at the crack of dawn to pick up the rest of your trip.

they aren’t really ruining anything, though are they? I mean, hoping something cancels isn’t making a wish that if suddenly comes true is because it was made. It was going to cancel regardless.

Is it poor taste to announce that hope I’m hearing range of people that would be impacted? Absolutely!

flyjbh 09-13-2019 01:25 PM

Can anyone confirm this? I was told SAVE stock trading window has been suspended for all higher management. I guess it can only mean big news is coming next week.


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TrojanCMH 09-13-2019 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Poser765 (Post 2886838)
they aren’t really ruining anything, though are they? I mean, hoping something cancels isn’t making a wish that if suddenly comes true is because it was made. It was going to cancel regardless.



Is it poor taste to announce that hope I’m hearing range of people that would be impacted? Absolutely!



I just don’t get why someone would be hoping all these people’s plans get screwed up. I know it’s out of their control just shows what kind of person you are to be excited about something like that.

Halon1211 09-13-2019 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by flyjbh (Post 2886850)
Can anyone confirm this? I was told SAVE stock trading window has been suspended for all higher management. I guess it can only mean big news is coming next week.


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That is correct, in a filing from yesterday, the SEC had suspended trading for all senior managment pursuant to section § 78u–1.

Boeing has added 24 787’s to its order total from an “unknown customer”

The Localizer 09-13-2019 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2887017)
That is correct, in a filing from yesterday, the SEC had suspended trading for all senior managment pursuant to section § 78u–1.

Boeing has added 24 787’s to its order total from an “unknown customer”

That has a very good chance of being delta

Halon1211 09-13-2019 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by The Localizer (Post 2887025)
That has a very good chance of being delta

Idk, I would wear your black and yellow next week just incase.

Big E 757 09-13-2019 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by skytrekker (Post 2883401)
So the airline that puts the freeze on anybody growing in ATL, that also allegedly stopped SW from building a terminal on the south cargo ramp, is going to do a 100 plus aircraft deal with NK? OK.

It was his first post, and it sounded like it was written to read like journalism, all official with dates and such. The first deliveries aren’t scheduled till 4th Q 2020. I’m thinking MCDU created an alter ego to back up his initial post with a “second” poster to regain the credibility that didn’t exist in the first place. Nice try MCDU...the manipulator part was prophetic.

FlyGuy2002 09-14-2019 02:48 AM

Any suspension of stock purchases would point to a merger/acquisition .. not a plane order . The SEC doesn’t care about capital expenditures.. investing in ones company on plant , property, equipment is normal growth that all companies strive for. Changing ownership structure, stock distribution, is much more relevant to the government for public companies . Just my hunch if that indeed did happen

Freightcowboy 09-14-2019 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2887017)
That is correct, in a filing from yesterday, the SEC had suspended trading for all senior managment pursuant to section § 78u–1.

Boeing has added 24 787’s to its order total from an “unknown customer”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/78u-1

It’s related to insider trading

Freightcowboy 09-14-2019 03:28 AM

Everyone realizes that we as a pilot group can’t control if we unite with another carrier or do another aircraft order??

No matter what Spirit plans to do, you can’t control it, the only thing you can do is stay or quit, so relax and find more pleasures in life if that is at all possible with any of you

NK Bumble Bee 09-14-2019 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2887017)
That is correct, in a filing from yesterday, the SEC had suspended trading for all senior managment pursuant to section § 78u–1.

Boeing has added 24 787’s to its order total from an “unknown customer”

Searching Spirit's filings on the SEC website last reveals the 8K and 10KQ reports, nothing about 78u-1. Do you have the document link, or is this another "source"?

Omniscient 09-14-2019 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by NK Bumble Bee (Post 2887108)
Searching Spirit's filings on the SEC website last reveals the 8K and 10KQ reports, nothing about 78u-1. Do you have the document link, or is this another "source"?

Exactly. Showing nothing was filed. Be careful with what happens when rumors are spread and catches fire on the WhatsApp network.

Conquistador27 09-14-2019 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by NK Bumble Bee (Post 2887108)
Searching Spirit's filings on the SEC website last reveals the 8K and 10KQ reports, nothing about 78u-1. Do you have the document link, or is this another "source"?

Also, no new 787 orders from undisclosed customers. So far , the smart money has always been on the opposite of what this guy spews.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 09-14-2019 05:17 AM

There is a fairly recent undisclosed order for 15 A321 NEOs though. Also wonder if a stock buyback could cause a freeze on employee stock purchases. Seems like pretty good timing to do so at the current price.

Qotsaautopilot 09-14-2019 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2887129)
There is a fairly recent undisclosed order for 15 A321 NEOs though. Also wonder if a stock buyback could cause a freeze on employee stock purchases. Seems like pretty good timing to do so at the current price.

We don’t have an employee stock purchase plan and we are not considered insiders, just labor, so buy away

FLYBOYMATTHEW 09-14-2019 10:38 AM

Wasn't wondering if we could buy it or not, was curious if a buyback freezes purchases for execs.

Qotsaautopilot 09-14-2019 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2887287)
Wasn't wondering if we could buy it or not, was curious if a buyback freezes purchases for execs.

I misunderstood, you said employees.


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