Hope you guys like flying the Max, there’s a lot of them coming your way.

Delta wants to be the launch order to the 797 - if Boeing can get its act together. Can’t imagine the incremental benefit a 737-8/9/10 MAX could offer over the A321 NEO would be so huuuuuge. The MAX, like all 737s, is uncomfortable for both pax and pilots relative to the Airbus. Just ask any SWA pilot how his back/azzz feels after 5 years of flying the 737 NG/MAX. It ain’t good.

5 hours? Try nearly 8 hours a day. Ive seen SWA 4 day trips pay 32. The longer this announcement delay goes on I'm starting to think we were or are going to the 737. Mainly so Management can pump it up and dump it on SWA and take a golden bonus as they go out the door!

Flows with PenAir, Key Lime, Cape Air, and All ATPs to be announced shortly.

Sweeeet!!!

I’ll take those prop guys over magenta line kids....

Why? Airbus was built for magenta line kids.

Don’t confuse the fact that an airplane was built so simple “even a caveman can fly it” with developing flying skills on non technical aircraft.

Just because the Airbus was designed to be flown by 250 hr pilots does not mean there isn’t a benefit of having pilots with strong foundations in flying real airplanes.

Cars on the road today are designed with blind spot sensors, stopping sensors, rear view cameras etc.....so does that mean you’re better off with an 18 year old who only has learned to and relied on these cars, or someone who has 30 years of driving experience who still checks their blind spot because they learned at a time where there wasn’t a blind spot alert?

I am so omniscient, if there was to be two omnisciences, I would be both!

Which is to say I agree with you completely.

So the airline that puts the freeze on anybody growing in ATL, that also allegedly stopped SW from building a terminal on the south cargo ramp, is going to do a 100 plus aircraft deal with NK? OK.

If it makes dollars and sense, yes, yes they would.

I find the claim dubious, but WTH has gate space got to do with anything? It’s for 100 airframes, and not 100 gates. NK has four gates in ATL. I suspect they can find other places to run their new Airbii of space isn’t available in ATL. Big world out there not located in Georgia.

You sure give Delta a lot of power. Do a little research and you will find gates are not the issue. ATL airport moves more aircraft than any other airport with 5 or more runways. What Atlanta needs for growth is another runway to go with a additional gates already planned. Delta by the way pushed for a terminal G which was rejected by the airport authority as too expensive. Instead existing terminals are being extended. Delta has also offered to demolish their current headquarters and all the training facilities to get a sixth runway built in ATL. Does not sound like they are trying to restrict capacity!

One bus two buses. For the love of God stop saying airbii

Oh good grief. You’ll live.

He should've phrased it as: the airline that puts a freeze to any ATL growth that ISN'T Delta...

I wish LAX would get their ess together too. During rush hour, it takes vehicles 50 minutes to go from the entrance to the exit.

This is an Uber/Lyft saturation problem. It now often takes longer to get through the airport to the gates than it does to drive from LGB-LAX.

No clue why we stay in LGB. Way better options closer to the airport. Hermosa, Manhattan,Redondo and many more.

No one else wants our business for what Spirit is willing to pay to satisfy our contract requirements. Also, other airlines stay there so they satisfy past arbitration. I hate the drive to Long Beach more than anyone but I do like the Westin.

I think we’ve seen a steady decline in hotels since this contract was signed. I don’t mind being near the airport and am a fan of the new hour requirements for long vs short. The problem is that there are loopholes such as Boston where the long is just as close as the short and the short is garbage.

Our language is far too weak for what’s satisfactory and when we had more “long” layovers the hotels available usually exceeded the requirements. Now that we have a lot more “short” layovers it brings in a lot more crummy hotels that meet our contract and since spirit bids as low as it can we end up at these. Hotel quality should be a priority in the next round or mid cycle if we can. To me long or short shouldn’t matter and we should be at a four or five star hotel in either situation. That’s not happening today.

Keep bringing shortcomings of hotels to the appropriate people. We can’t get a change if folks just accept the garbage they give us.

Just give me a clean room with a comfortable bed that has plenty of food options within walking distance.

No doubt NK tries to pay pennies on the dollar for everything... but it’s all negotiated by hotel connections and LGB is a bad example... United, BA, numerous middle eastern carriers all stay there... from LAX....? Disregard... after a quick edit and reading further in depth that’s pretty much exactly what you said!!

There are no reasonable hotels in those areas that don't involve a mile walk to the water. And the drive down Hwy 1 takes just as long as the drive to Long Beach.

Long Beach is the best overnight in the system. Easy access to beach, waterfront, good food (and so much variety of it,) bars, bike rental, and a clean, safe area.

Don't F this up, nothing else will be this good.

(...aaaaannnd I just doomed us all)

Disagree on the hourly requirement for the long/short stay, and prefer hotels as far was away from the airport as possible. That is just a personal preference though, and totally agree with everything else.

Have send screenshots of the BOS “long” drive being shorter than the BOS “short” drive to the hotel committee every short BOS layover, no response....

also, sorry, but love LGB, just need to adjust pickups for early show, was at the gate 40 minutes before show last few times, emailed ALPA, nothing.

Ask 2200 pilots what makes a good hotel and acceptable hotel language, get 2200 opinions.

And I agree with those who think the new 18 hour long language is ridiculous.

Fair enough...but I disagree with the “No reasonable” hotels. There are much nicer hotels then LB. Spirit will jump over a dollar to save a dime tho.

Agreed, wish we could have kept the old rules but I had no say since I was a probie back then. From what I remember the company was fine with leaving the hotel language unchanged but ALPA stepped in because pilots were b*tching about the van ride to some of the long stays hotels and now we have sacrificed overnight QOL to stay at Hampton Inn/Comfort Inn/Holiday Inn Express by the airport. And to top that off we get to share the hotel shuttle with pax who don't know where the hell they supposed to be going.

Vegas long stay is a strong runner up

The people who preach about the LBC Westin have never had the privilege of staying at the alternate long Crowne in Redondo.

Makes Long Beach look like the Red Lion MDT.

Give me a comfortable bed, a reliable shuttle, free breakfast without powdered eggs, and food/stuff to do around.

Ugh. Typical pilot. “Free breakfast”. You make a quarter mil a year, buy a breakfast; cheap

And keep your shuttle, I’ll take the private transportation. Regional mentality.

Really? Where do we stay in a HI express?

Disregard, I was referring to DTW and thought it was a HI express but it is a normal HI. But still...the point is these hotels offer limited options for food and exercise compared to the long stay hotels. At a short stay hotel you just have to deal with whatever is there and risk the safety issue of walking down a busy airport street with little to no sidewalks or crosswalks, unless the company wants to provide a rental car for us at all short stays over 14 hours. That will never happen though.

You’re forgetting the simple issue; so many of our group wants a 5 minute shared shuttle ride to the airport, hotel happy hour, free breakfast, and shuttles that run on the half hour.

Remember when we switched from the Holiday inn in LGA? Guys were upset they lost their $9 hamburger meal at the Holiday Inn. Why stay in the city with the best food in the world when you can have a $9 Holliday Inn burger in Queens.

Like I said...ask 2200 pilots....get 2200 responses.

The hotel committee is actively trying to leave the HI Secaucus, e-mail them with your suggestions please.

“Avoid layovers..EWR”

Done and done

Frugal. I like spending money on bigger things. Typical pilot is ok with me. The shuttle with delays works better, but the fancy private transportation is a nice touch once in a while.

New hotel policy sucks.
The new hotel policy under the new contract (and post PBS) has created far more short stay hotels as the company builds shorter layovers into the pairings.
Part of the savings the company has realized with the short stay hotels is the reduced need for private transportation since short stay hotels usually provide van service.
We’re also seeing far more short stay hotels which are not full service, meaning to hotel restaurant/bar and fake food for breakfast (powdered eggs, meat-like bacon).

Just because it’s s short stay the hotel quality should not be reduced. BOS short sucks. PIT short sucks. DFW short sucks. CMH short sucks.

All Hotels weather long or short should be full service and at least a Crowne Plaza/Marriott/Hilton/Sheraton quality.

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The old Pittsburgh long was the best and we lost it I heard. Embassy suites right downtown... Perfect pilot hotel...


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Phl and atl short. Horrible for a 16 hour overnight. Zero options for food. Not a single thing to do outside except stand in a parking lot.... let’s stop calling an 18 hour overnight short....