Originally Posted by Busdriver320

There are 850+ former VX pilots that would love to have the “problems” you are having with PBS! Last PBS awards were for Feb scheds, we start line bidding next week for March scheds. What a flipping nightmare it’s going to be, especially for the 80-90% of commuters we have on the Airbus side.

No 4 day off rule at Alaska for line building.

No conflict language; go below min by 1 minute and you’re required to pickup from open time to get back over min. If you don’t, they’ll assign you something. Wherever on your sched. Can’t split a trip to make up that time either, need 2 hours but the only open trips are 2-days? You’re doing the 2-day! And the mins are, get this: 75 all year, with flex up to (usually) 78 in any 5 months they want.

Two rounds of seniority based trading after awards to massage your sched or fix min credit/117 illegalities. Unless you’re in the top 20% you’ll never get anything in the first round. Below 50% seat and base? Pretty much forget anything in round 2 as well.

When you guys are talking 4 days off between “trips”, is that trips or work blocks? VX used Flica and default was 2 days off between work blocks, waivable to “allow single days off”, but you could also put in a global command to specify x days off between all work cycles. Meaning you could put back to back trips together and not violate a “between trips” rule. I’d be surprised if NavBlue doesn’t do the same. If it’s truly 4 days between trips, the junior guys (commuters) will get screwed.

Once you learn PBS you’re all going to love it. Way more control over your life, even for junior peeps. A week of vacation can be turned into 2-3 with strategic bidding. Two can be turned into 4-5 weeks. Need that weekend off for a wedding? Even the most junior guy can get it.

Line bidding is being FORCED on the Legacy Virgin pilots. Almost none of the 870-ish people want it. That’s how powerful PBS is!

Cheers,
Bus

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

I’m not singing the PBS praises but yes Alaska line bidding is by far the worst way to bid I’ve ever heard. I’ve also heard that rsv is absolute murder unlike many places where it can actually go senior.

Originally Posted by Busdriver320

When you guys are talking 4 days off between “trips”, is that trips or work blocks?

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1

It’s 4 days off between work blocks so 6 on 4 off unless it’s transition then I’ve worked 6 on 1 off 6 on.



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Originally Posted by Busdriver320

I meant under the NavBlue pbs system, not current line builds.
Will it award 2+2 or 1+4, or 3+2, etc etc or is it looking for 4 days off between every individual trip?

Originally Posted by CarbonCub

We can fly up to 6 consecutive days. So if PBS needs to, it will build 6 days of flying in whichever fashion it needs to. Then we are required to have a minimum of 4(5) days off. So essentially we can do these back to back trips not to exceed 6 days.

Hope this clears it up for ya

Originally Posted by TheDudeabide

In the PBS presentation, one question that was asked was, “is there an ‘any’ function available?”. The short answer was yes, if you are senior enough to hold a line, it will attempt to honor your requests. If it can’t, it goes into denial mode and builds a line using all pairings available. So why waive the 4 days off, unless you want to improve the pairings or credit, etc? It seems like it would be better to build your “dream line”, then a second group giving up something in a cascade

Originally Posted by elmetal

You can, of course, change your limits so you don't do more than 4 days in a row... that is of course if you realize that by doing that you might have to lower 4 days off in between (or not actually.)

Originally Posted by Super EZ E

In a world where you don't have Bendo you might be right. Right now the Company wants 6 day blocks the same as we have now. So it's not really PBS. The company wants 6 day blocks and the ability to fill and complete the month. The Union and the Company are arguing right now about this issue. What is the min days on????? Company says 6, Union says 3. Don't think for one minute just because you have the ability to input a value that the software doesn't already have a hard command build in. The fact is Bendo is ****ed that the gains aren't there with PBS. Navblue told Bendo you need a fleet of 300 before you'll see any gains. He asked why did we give them the 5hr average and better trip rig if the company didn't get any gains from PBS??? That's a matter of paying attention and understanding a mathematical world. This is another example of why we should never give on the 4 days off min. A senior Eastern pilot told me you can give money back but you NEVER give work rules back! Once their gone you'll never get them back. Ask the AA, DAL and UAL about their crappy work rules!