New hire pay on reserve
11-06-2019, 02:27 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you currently work for FedEx? Should I opine on what guys make at FedEx, being that I have no idea what I’m talking about?
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
11-06-2019, 02:30 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you currently work for FedEx? Should I opine on what guys make at FedEx, being that I have no idea what I’m talking about?
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
I personally didn't know there were so many captains out there doing your north of 250 range, but it's really encouraging to know that folks can have a very good chance of ignoring min guarantee when they upgrade. As for quality of life as a new captain, well that's up for debate, but you make it sound good.
11-06-2019, 02:59 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by onedolla
Sounds like you already listed your reasons why this is a smart career decision for you, and I see a lot of attitudes like that on the line. Their disdain for the legacies is their "reason" for being here, they make more money than they used to, and they're not on reserve so they don't care what's going on there since they paid their dues.
Go ahead and explain again how I’m a heartless SOB who quickly forgot what it was like to be at the bottom.
11-06-2019, 03:04 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you currently work for FedEx? Should I opine on what guys make at FedEx, being that I have no idea what I’m talking about?
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
I know many guys who make north of $250k, various bases, aren’t instructors, and have a great QOL. Of course guys aren’t making that at guarantee, anyone with a calculator can do that simple math. But I assure you plenty of us are making north of $250k, and still plenty of time off.
Should a new hire plan on that? Heck no, should guys that made $280k this year expect the same next year, probably not, depends on staffing; but let’s once and for all end this ridiculous notion that a Spirit pilot making a quarter mil a year is somehow some weird “outlier”.
Last edited by Noworkallplay; 11-06-2019 at 03:27 PM.
11-06-2019, 03:06 PM
#105
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Regardless of your stance on first year pay, I think we can all agree the training pay is hot garbage. If they don’t want to pay for folks that fail, I get that. Just retro pay people regular first year rates once they pass OE or something
11-06-2019, 04:02 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Its pure numbers. You are not getting 100 hr bid lines off the bid, just like we don't at FDX. Our 5th year NB Capt hourly pay rate is 270ish an hour so I would tell prospective guys that normal 5th year NB Capt is around 270K a year. Now, we also have premium pay, instructor pay, open time, in base guys, etc that on 5th year NB Capt pay make 400ish but, they are busting butt. Heck we have WB Capt doing 700k but they are big outliers with special gigs.
Where did anyone say $250k was the pay off the bid line? What moron would assume the bids are over 100 credit? Nobody said that.
11-06-2019, 04:21 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Its pure numbers. You are not getting 100 hr bid lines off the bid, just like we don't at FDX. Our 5th year NB Capt hourly pay rate is 270ish an hour so I would tell prospective guys that normal 5th year NB Capt is around 270K a year. Now, we also have premium pay, instructor pay, open time, in base guys, etc that on 5th year NB Capt pay make 400ish but, they are busting butt. Heck we have WB Capt doing 700k but they are big outliers with special gigs.
11-06-2019, 10:19 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by onedolla
Well then, let's keep this realistic for a prospective new hire. Captain rates for them with a 3 year upgrade will be $218.61. Min guarantee puts them at a juicy $188,870.40 for the year.
I personally didn't know there were so many captains out there doing your north of 250 range, but it's really encouraging to know that folks can have a very good chance of ignoring min guarantee when they upgrade. As for quality of life as a new captain, well that's up for debate, but you make it sound good.
I personally didn't know there were so many captains out there doing your north of 250 range, but it's really encouraging to know that folks can have a very good chance of ignoring min guarantee when they upgrade. As for quality of life as a new captain, well that's up for debate, but you make it sound good.
11-07-2019, 06:15 AM
#110
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I'm so confused. Why is the Fedex guy so invested in this topic?
I'm a second year FO in one of our relatively senior bases (ORD). I credited 100+ hours per month with 17 days off in summer months. It's not impossible to make more than guarantee. Yes, premium pay is fickle and unreliable. But no one here is saying you should plan your budget around premium pay numbers. The point is that those kinds of numbers are possible. Not guaranteed. Possible. And not just wildly outlying numbers like the $700k paycheck for people with exclusive "special gigs." Possible for regular ol' lineholders.
I'm a second year FO in one of our relatively senior bases (ORD). I credited 100+ hours per month with 17 days off in summer months. It's not impossible to make more than guarantee. Yes, premium pay is fickle and unreliable. But no one here is saying you should plan your budget around premium pay numbers. The point is that those kinds of numbers are possible. Not guaranteed. Possible. And not just wildly outlying numbers like the $700k paycheck for people with exclusive "special gigs." Possible for regular ol' lineholders.
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