New hire pay on reserve
11-07-2019, 08:24 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
I'm so confused. Why is the Fedex guy so invested in this topic?
I'm a second year FO in one of our relatively senior bases (ORD). I credited 100+ hours per month with 17 days off in summer months. It's not impossible to make more than guarantee. Yes, premium pay is fickle and unreliable. But no one here is saying you should plan your budget around premium pay numbers. The point is that those kinds of numbers are possible. Not guaranteed. Possible. And not just wildly outlying numbers like the $700k paycheck for people with exclusive "special gigs." Possible for regular ol' lineholders.
I'm a second year FO in one of our relatively senior bases (ORD). I credited 100+ hours per month with 17 days off in summer months. It's not impossible to make more than guarantee. Yes, premium pay is fickle and unreliable. But no one here is saying you should plan your budget around premium pay numbers. The point is that those kinds of numbers are possible. Not guaranteed. Possible. And not just wildly outlying numbers like the $700k paycheck for people with exclusive "special gigs." Possible for regular ol' lineholders.
No way am I ever saying our pay is even close to FedEx, not even close...but I think the conventional wisdom with many “Big 6” guys is “Spirit is a nice airline to work at while trying to come and be junior to me at my airline.” So the fact guys are happy here and make good money here is like an ex girlfriend who no longer wants you and is happily married and you’re like “whaaaaat, you used to be all up on me”.
You ever have a legacy guy ask you “so how are things at Spirit?” And you reply with how it’s a good gig and give him some examples and their response sometimes is “really, wow!” Like they expected it to be worse in every area compared to their Big 6 gig.
11-07-2019, 08:33 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
You ever have a legacy guy ask you “so how are things at Spirit?” And you reply with how it’s a good gig and give him some examples and their response sometimes is “really, wow!” Like they expected it to be worse in every area compared to their Big 6 gig.
11-07-2019, 08:41 AM
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My $.02, take it or leave it. But with few exceptions this is reality.
Basing a career move on first year pay is kind of dumb. Look at career earnings instead and tighten your belt first year. I lived with a family of 5 in Vegas for 5 years so I know what it costs there, and I also did back to back first year, first with Spirit in Vegas at $38 and then with SWA in LA, which was actually worse. I made it because years earlier I used my crystal ball and started saving up a buffer pot of cash to get me through those years.
If you're not living foolishly you ought to be able to survive a year in Vegas on spirit first year pay no problem. Cost of living there is not high unless you've insisted on buying housing above your means. If you're in a $700k house you bought with zero down, living in an area with $400/month HOA fees, and sending your kids to a $30k/yr private school, then yea you're going to struggle based on your unrealistic lifestyle choices. Maybe the lifestyle is the issue keeping you from benefiting from a few million dollars in lifetime earning, not the first year pay rate. Paying on a car loan? Dumb. Ditch the expensive car and drive a hoopty for a couple of years.
Or take the plunge, do the full-up Dave Ramsey plan, and get rich without obsessing over juggling credit card interest rates or any other stupid gimmicks. This is the best way to survive first year pay but most people are too full of lifestyle and excuses to be able to do it, and that's why they have no money no matter how much they make. If you want to be a millionaire, do what they do. A family of 4 can certainly live just fine for a year in Vegas on $50k if they do the things that millionaires did to get there.
Also, I'm NOT KIDDING when I say deliver pizzas during first year to help with your cash flow. An extra $1000/month or more is very possible delivering pizzas. Failure to make ends meet in Vegas on Spirit first year pay is probably either the result of bad lifestyle choices or a reliance on excuses to not do what's necessary to secure very nice lifetime earnings for your family.
Basing a career move on first year pay is kind of dumb. Look at career earnings instead and tighten your belt first year. I lived with a family of 5 in Vegas for 5 years so I know what it costs there, and I also did back to back first year, first with Spirit in Vegas at $38 and then with SWA in LA, which was actually worse. I made it because years earlier I used my crystal ball and started saving up a buffer pot of cash to get me through those years.
If you're not living foolishly you ought to be able to survive a year in Vegas on spirit first year pay no problem. Cost of living there is not high unless you've insisted on buying housing above your means. If you're in a $700k house you bought with zero down, living in an area with $400/month HOA fees, and sending your kids to a $30k/yr private school, then yea you're going to struggle based on your unrealistic lifestyle choices. Maybe the lifestyle is the issue keeping you from benefiting from a few million dollars in lifetime earning, not the first year pay rate. Paying on a car loan? Dumb. Ditch the expensive car and drive a hoopty for a couple of years.
Or take the plunge, do the full-up Dave Ramsey plan, and get rich without obsessing over juggling credit card interest rates or any other stupid gimmicks. This is the best way to survive first year pay but most people are too full of lifestyle and excuses to be able to do it, and that's why they have no money no matter how much they make. If you want to be a millionaire, do what they do. A family of 4 can certainly live just fine for a year in Vegas on $50k if they do the things that millionaires did to get there.
Also, I'm NOT KIDDING when I say deliver pizzas during first year to help with your cash flow. An extra $1000/month or more is very possible delivering pizzas. Failure to make ends meet in Vegas on Spirit first year pay is probably either the result of bad lifestyle choices or a reliance on excuses to not do what's necessary to secure very nice lifetime earnings for your family.
11-07-2019, 10:34 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by flensr
My $.02, take it or leave it. But with few exceptions this is reality.
Basing a career move on first year pay is kind of dumb. Look at career earnings instead and tighten your belt first year. I lived with a family of 5 in Vegas for 5 years so I know what it costs there, and I also did back to back first year, first with Spirit in Vegas at $38 and then with SWA in LA, which was actually worse. I made it because years earlier I used my crystal ball and started saving up a buffer pot of cash to get me through those years.
If you're not living foolishly you ought to be able to survive a year in Vegas on spirit first year pay no problem. Cost of living there is not high unless you've insisted on buying housing above your means. If you're in a $700k house you bought with zero down, living in an area with $400/month HOA fees, and sending your kids to a $30k/yr private school, then yea you're going to struggle based on your unrealistic lifestyle choices. Maybe the lifestyle is the issue keeping you from benefiting from a few million dollars in lifetime earning, not the first year pay rate. Paying on a car loan? Dumb. Ditch the expensive car and drive a hoopty for a couple of years.
Or take the plunge, do the full-up Dave Ramsey plan, and get rich without obsessing over juggling credit card interest rates or any other stupid gimmicks. This is the best way to survive first year pay but most people are too full of lifestyle and excuses to be able to do it, and that's why they have no money no matter how much they make. If you want to be a millionaire, do what they do. A family of 4 can certainly live just fine for a year in Vegas on $50k if they do the things that millionaires did to get there.
Also, I'm NOT KIDDING when I say deliver pizzas during first year to help with your cash flow. An extra $1000/month or more is very possible delivering pizzas. Failure to make ends meet in Vegas on Spirit first year pay is probably either the result of bad lifestyle choices or a reliance on excuses to not do what's necessary to secure very nice lifetime earnings for your family.
Basing a career move on first year pay is kind of dumb. Look at career earnings instead and tighten your belt first year. I lived with a family of 5 in Vegas for 5 years so I know what it costs there, and I also did back to back first year, first with Spirit in Vegas at $38 and then with SWA in LA, which was actually worse. I made it because years earlier I used my crystal ball and started saving up a buffer pot of cash to get me through those years.
If you're not living foolishly you ought to be able to survive a year in Vegas on spirit first year pay no problem. Cost of living there is not high unless you've insisted on buying housing above your means. If you're in a $700k house you bought with zero down, living in an area with $400/month HOA fees, and sending your kids to a $30k/yr private school, then yea you're going to struggle based on your unrealistic lifestyle choices. Maybe the lifestyle is the issue keeping you from benefiting from a few million dollars in lifetime earning, not the first year pay rate. Paying on a car loan? Dumb. Ditch the expensive car and drive a hoopty for a couple of years.
Or take the plunge, do the full-up Dave Ramsey plan, and get rich without obsessing over juggling credit card interest rates or any other stupid gimmicks. This is the best way to survive first year pay but most people are too full of lifestyle and excuses to be able to do it, and that's why they have no money no matter how much they make. If you want to be a millionaire, do what they do. A family of 4 can certainly live just fine for a year in Vegas on $50k if they do the things that millionaires did to get there.
Also, I'm NOT KIDDING when I say deliver pizzas during first year to help with your cash flow. An extra $1000/month or more is very possible delivering pizzas. Failure to make ends meet in Vegas on Spirit first year pay is probably either the result of bad lifestyle choices or a reliance on excuses to not do what's necessary to secure very nice lifetime earnings for your family.
Still think it sucks the company and the union agree it’s okay to expect people to struggle and pay for their own dockers and north-face fleece.
11-07-2019, 05:49 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
I still have zero idea why FedEx guys are even here on this topic. Nobody said $250k by year 5 was guaranteed. What was said is that there are many making $250k and up by year 5 and contrary to some, aren’t selling their soul to the devil to do it.
Where did anyone say $250k was the pay off the bid line? What moron would assume the bids are over 100 credit? Nobody said that.
Where did anyone say $250k was the pay off the bid line? What moron would assume the bids are over 100 credit? Nobody said that.
This whole conversation started with a response from a 5th year Capt to a potential Spirit applicant. He touted about his paycheck on 5th year Capt pay (Well north of 250k). I simply stated that to get to that pay with that hourly rate you have to work extra. Then some others got their feelings hurt and chimed in also.
Let me be the first to say I’m happy guys/gals at Spirit are now making decent money. Believe me I’m not blown away by that number I just simply pointed out you must work extra to do it. No big deal some work harder than others. I work extra also and am on 5th year NB Capt pay. I’m currently at 322k and will do 350k this year, but I work extra and live in base. This is not “common” since my hourly rate is 265/hr. So I would say our average 5th year NB Capt makes around 270. If he makes more than that then he must work extra. So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
Last edited by Noworkallplay; 11-07-2019 at 06:01 PM.
11-07-2019, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
I So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
11-07-2019, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
I wondered away from my base and found this village and engaged in conversation. Is that not allowed in this exclusive club? I would welcome you with any questions if you ever stumble our way.
This whole conversation started with a response from a 5th year Capt to a potential Spirit applicant. He touted about his paycheck on 5th year Capt pay (Well north of 250k). I simply stated that to get to that pay with that hourly rate you have to work extra. Then some others got their feelings hurt and chimed in also.
Let me be the first to say I’m happy guys/gals at Spirit are now making decent money. Believe me I’m not blown away by that number I just simply pointed out you must work extra to do it. No big deal some work harder than others. I work extra also and am on 5th year NB Capt pay. I’m currently at 322k and will do 350k this year, but I work extra and live in base. This is not “common” since my hourly rate is 265/hr. So I would say our average 5th year NB Capt makes around 270. If he makes more than that then he must work extra. So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
This whole conversation started with a response from a 5th year Capt to a potential Spirit applicant. He touted about his paycheck on 5th year Capt pay (Well north of 250k). I simply stated that to get to that pay with that hourly rate you have to work extra. Then some others got their feelings hurt and chimed in also.
Let me be the first to say I’m happy guys/gals at Spirit are now making decent money. Believe me I’m not blown away by that number I just simply pointed out you must work extra to do it. No big deal some work harder than others. I work extra also and am on 5th year NB Capt pay. I’m currently at 322k and will do 350k this year, but I work extra and live in base. This is not “common” since my hourly rate is 265/hr. So I would say our average 5th year NB Capt makes around 270. If he makes more than that then he must work extra. So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
6 yr, 10 months into the year:
845 hr credit at 100%, 670 block
50 hr credit at 200%, 20 block, so 690 total so far
$205K, so looking right around $250K for the year, 15 days off average, not including vacation.
Never work trips that starts before 9pm on day 1, always make it home day 4-ish (yes, red-eye included).
Nowhere close to legacy pay, but definitely didn't work a lot extra, and SAS didn't work hard.
11-07-2019, 06:38 PM
#118
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
You're just assuming this is how things are at Spirt. We don't have to bid max credit to get those hours. Some guys drop half of their trips this summer, and take an X list for 200%. Which means they are working the same as their line while crediting 100-150 for the month. Summer meltdown, hurricane season, winter storms causes 2-3 meltdown a year. That's where it's normal to get 100-150 credit without having to work that hard. If you saw some of the X trips that came up, you would understand why some of us keep saying it's easy to get high credit without working very hard for it.
11-07-2019, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
I wondered away from my base and found this village and engaged in conversation. Is that not allowed in this exclusive club? I would welcome you with any questions if you ever stumble our way.
This whole conversation started with a response from a 5th year Capt to a potential Spirit applicant. He touted about his paycheck on 5th year Capt pay (Well north of 250k). I simply stated that to get to that pay with that hourly rate you have to work extra. Then some others got their feelings hurt and chimed in also.
Let me be the first to say I’m happy guys/gals at Spirit are now making decent money. Believe me I’m not blown away by that number I just simply pointed out you must work extra to do it. No big deal some work harder than others. I work extra also and am on 5th year NB Capt pay. I’m currently at 322k and will do 350k this year, but I work extra and live in base. This is not “common” since my hourly rate is 265/hr. So I would say our average 5th year NB Capt makes around 270. If he makes more than that then he must work extra. So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
This whole conversation started with a response from a 5th year Capt to a potential Spirit applicant. He touted about his paycheck on 5th year Capt pay (Well north of 250k). I simply stated that to get to that pay with that hourly rate you have to work extra. Then some others got their feelings hurt and chimed in also.
Let me be the first to say I’m happy guys/gals at Spirit are now making decent money. Believe me I’m not blown away by that number I just simply pointed out you must work extra to do it. No big deal some work harder than others. I work extra also and am on 5th year NB Capt pay. I’m currently at 322k and will do 350k this year, but I work extra and live in base. This is not “common” since my hourly rate is 265/hr. So I would say our average 5th year NB Capt makes around 270. If he makes more than that then he must work extra. So with PBS if your getting 85 hrs a month than your bidding max credit which is more work. Even with that to get north of 250k you have to fly extra every couple months. It’s just math!! No reason to lie just say I worked extra (A lot extra)!
90hrs a month *206 (5th year Spirit Capt pay)= 18,540 a month
18,540*12=222,000 annually
And that assumes 90 hrs every single month. So if your well north of 250k your working your little yellow tail off
$350k this year at $265/hr
Thats 1320 credit hours/12 so 110 credit hours a month average.
You're working your little purple tail off.
11-07-2019, 06:44 PM
#120
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Thanks for that info. I more than understand how premium pay works and supply and demand during irregular ops. We all have this including us purple folk. So if you drop regular flying the premium trip can’t touch the original footprint. So a lot of things would have to line up as a previous Spirit pilot poster stated. You would have to do this month after month. Plus it’s not the norm it was just the past year. That’s my whole point bubba.
Work rules, Bubba...get some. We can drop to 0 and pick up anything and everything all over the original footprint for premium. Heck, they even have to pay us an extra 6 hours of pay just to get us to "hurry up" to the airport for a 200% 4 day trip.
Meltdowns are every year here...they are the norm.
Spirit is not FedEx, striving to deliver the world on time, or is that UPS? We run lean and that makes our pockets fat. Our major hub is in hurricane alley and we are growing a second base just up the road.
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