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Old 09-01-2021 | 01:33 PM
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We have over 3000 resumes on file and the average new hire has over 5800 hrs and 2800 PIC. I think we're ok, lol.
12 months from today Spirit will be begging people to come here and or hiring CFI’s
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Old 09-01-2021 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
12 months from today Spirit will be begging people to come here and or hiring CFI’s

More leverage for us when negotiations get going.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
12 months from today Spirit will be begging people to come here and or hiring CFI’s

Possibly...I should have said "for now" in my original post, although, haven't we all been waiting for the pilot shortage to hit for years? Weird how it has never materialized. I'm sure it'll be any day now.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 02:29 PM
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Possibly...I should have said "for now" in my original post, although, haven't we all been waiting for the pilot shortage to hit for years? Weird how it has never materialized. I'm sure it'll be any day now.
was getting awfully severe at the regional level prior to covid. Heck just look at that money AA is throwing at its regionals now.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
12 months from today Spirit will be begging people to come here and or hiring CFI’s
this is true - look at frontier a few years ago - 1500 hour cfi’s to the right seat. This won’t help our negotiations at all. Cfi’s will come here - get their time - and then leave for a legacy…..all while keeping spirits labor cheap (turnover) so no there is no negotiation leverage.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDHD
this is true - look at frontier a few years ago - 1500 hour cfi’s to the right seat. This won’t help our negotiations at all. Cfi’s will come here - get their time - and then leave for a legacy…..all while keeping spirits labor cheap (turnover) so no there is no negotiation leverage.
I think this is true. Spirit having to pay pilots years 1-12 substantially more cuts into their cost advantage. They will fill right seats with Riddle Rats before cutting into their cost advantage.

But this is a nice primer for when negotiations come around and people are saying “we need higher first year pay!” Let management raise rates for their own recruitment issues
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Old 09-01-2021 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
I think this is true. Spirit having to pay pilots years 1-12 substantially more cuts into their cost advantage. They will fill right seats with Riddle Rats before cutting into their cost advantage.

But this is a nice primer for when negotiations come around and people are saying “we need higher first year pay!” Let management raise rates for their own recruitment issues
Exactly...everyone needs to remember this when contract negotiations roll around. First year pay is up to the company. It's their issue, their problem to resolve, not the union.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDHD
this is true - look at frontier a few years ago - 1500 hour cfi’s to the right seat. This won’t help our negotiations at all. Cfi’s will come here - get their time - and then leave for a legacy…..all while keeping spirits labor cheap (turnover) so no there is no negotiation leverage.

This is exactly what leverage is. People getting a type and leaving is leverage.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
Ty Webb….. filler
He's the only one that knows I'm a tremendous slouch.
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Old 09-01-2021 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Exactly...everyone needs to remember this when contract negotiations roll around. First year pay is up to the company. It's their issue, their problem to resolve, not the union.
While I agree, I do prefer to fly with the best and brightest not everyone’s left overs like me.
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