Attrition
11-09-2022 | 07:46 AM
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Your statement isn’t exactly the full truth. Those that left were not all new hires. This is pretty significant growth on the fo side and they hired almost 3x the number of fos compared to those that left. A new hire fo does the same work a 4th year fo does at less than 1/2 the cost. Don’t think they are hurting for captains. Fos are easily replaced and it shows they are doing just that.
11-09-2022 | 07:47 AM
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I’m not arguing for or against the general idea of that. It was the sole statement half the people we hired already left. Which isn’t really true since those that are leaving are from multiple years of service not just new hires. The other way to look at it is we hired twice as many people that have left which is growth. Don’t have long term data but losing 2 captains this past month. How many did we upgrade? I’m sure we hired more fos than left and upgraded more captains than left.
11-09-2022 | 07:54 AM
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It’s a growth airline. They are growing and they do like and plan for some attrition for the reasons you mentioned. Problem is they aren’t growing at the rate they need to to fly the new airplanes they pushed back during covid. That’s why they are losing money. They attempted to train their way out of it and have reached max training capacity and still cannot staff for the growth. They are out of options except for massive raises or a black swan event. I’d anticipate the 319s getting parked as option three before any meaningful progress in negotiations. The only management group that is more anti pilot is at frontier.
11-09-2022 | 08:41 AM
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Couple years from now that most likely will be irrelevant as I'm sure JB has different qualifications for upgrading. If the merger isn't approved, then yes, I 100% agree Spirit will start having issues with qualified upgrade candidates and they'll have to adjust minimums. As was/is the case with Sun Country.
11-09-2022 | 08:53 AM
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Your statement isn’t exactly the full truth. Those that left were not all new hires. This is pretty significant growth on the fo side and they hired almost 3x the number of fos compared to those that left. A new hire fo does the same work a 4th year fo does at less than 1/2 the cost. Don’t think they are hurting for captains. Fos are easily replaced and it shows they are doing just that.
11-09-2022 | 09:00 AM
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11-09-2022 | 09:03 AM
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Are you suggesting it’s be worse than what this year already showed? Year to date spirit has hired twice as many as those that left. If anything I think hiring will be higher than precovid but you’ll start to see it slow and come to an equilibrium as Covid recovery is achieved and they focus on replacing retirees and growth. Just because they’ve slowed hiring for now doesn’t mean it’ll be averaged in Jan when compared to last Jan.
11-09-2022 | 09:56 AM
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