Originally Posted by Bluedriver

I just think it's a dumb position. If withholding support for the merger (to pressure a raise prior to JCBA) ends up being the straw that breaks the camels back, and the merger ends up being blocked in part because of it, I don't think that will prove to be a wise decision.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Raise awareness to who exactly? The company knows the info and doesn’t care, they are loosing money and it’s not due to pilot attrition. Labor costs and high fuel costs combined with low revenue. People want to fly first class and they want to fly internationally. We don’t provide those right now except south of the border which is not the money making international flying I’m talking about. You can kick and scream all you want, but replacing the MEC won’t do anything. I can’t believe you would think that would matter.

Put yourself in TC’s position. He already raised pilot pay once to stem attrition. If it didn’t help then why would he raise pay again?

All a new MEC can do is ASK for more money. That’s it.

I get that you’re upset, but I think you’re focusing on the wrong end of the formula. If you want a fast change in your situation the best thing as others have said is to leave and go elsewhere. If you want to stick it out here, I do fully think it will get better, but it’s not a quick fix and replacing the MEC going into a merger is irresponsible and selfish in my view.

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear

It's not even about asking for more money. It's about the same $h!t every time with the selling tactics. Phone calls going out harassing and convincing people to vote yes. Road show were more of a "VOTE YES OR ELSE" and look where we are at again massively below our peers. gtfo, at this point , might as well get some new blood on the table.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Raise awareness to who exactly? The company knows the info and doesn’t care, they are loosing money and it’s not due to pilot attrition. Labor costs and high fuel costs combined with low revenue. People want to fly first class and they want to fly internationally. We don’t provide those right now except south of the border which is not the money making international flying I’m talking about. You can kick and scream all you want, but replacing the MEC won’t do anything. I can’t believe you would think that would matter.

Put yourself in TC’s position. He already raised pilot pay once to stem attrition. If it didn’t help then why would he raise pay again?

All a new MEC can do is ASK for more money. That’s it.

I get that you’re upset, but I think you’re focusing on the wrong end of the formula. If you want a fast change in your situation the best thing as others have said is to leave and go elsewhere. If you want to stick it out here, I do fully think it will get better, but it’s not a quick fix and replacing the MEC going into a merger is irresponsible and selfish in my view.

Originally Posted by Irishblackbird

Raise awareness to who, you ask. I dont know. I'm not the one who sends an email to the Pilot group emphasizing the perceived plight the Company and pilot group faces. I also never said I was unhappy or upset, but like other professional pilots in our industry I want to be competitive in compensation and work rules in the "ever-evolving landscape and rapid and profound changes" as stated in the email. An email that would also suggest that that we would need a LOA to address these issues similar to Jblue. Yes the company knows the info and the pilots are aware of the situation, so what is the point of the email to pilot group other than reinforce the fact that we are now on the bottom tier in relation to our peers at other airlines? Or is it to state that the negotiating committee failed and came in very low "in a ever-evolving rapidly changing landscape" and refused to go back to the table after other airlines came out with their TAs that were much better than ours. Instead of re-polling the pilot group they chose to hard sell us to take the deal.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

We all want better pay and work rules. That’s not something unique to those asking to replace our MEC and NC. You voted yes knowing what DELTA had on the table, that’s on you. Or maybe you voted No, either way the pilot group voted yes. That’s not really on the NC or MEC.

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation

It's 100% on the MEC. Delta's numbers were out well before we had a TA and JBs came out a week before our vote closed. As soon as JB's came out they should have taken it back to the table.

Originally Posted by SlimBob

6 CA vacancies this month

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation

It's 100% on the MEC. Delta's numbers were out well before we had a TA and JBs came out a week before our vote closed. As soon as JB's came out they should have taken it back to the table.

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear

It's not even about asking for more money. It's about the same $h!t every time with the selling tactics. Phone calls going out harassing and convincing people to vote yes. Road show were more of a "VOTE YES OR ELSE" and look where we are at again massively below our peers. gtfo, at this point , might as well get some new blood on the table.