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Old 02-02-2022 | 05:22 AM
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Old 02-02-2022 | 05:25 AM
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I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
Don't rule out American. They have a metric $hatton of retirements coming up. And as far as culture goes, United had a poison culture and work environment up until ~5 years ago. But it was never as bad as it sounded on aviation boards.
If I were in your shoes, American would be #1 choice and United number 2 due to the seniority advancement you'd see at those airlines. United's good, but American's better.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 05:27 AM
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Y’all are worse than the regional guys in their forums pre-Covid. Just apply elsewhere if you feel so strongly about it.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
Can’t stand deltas pilot culture? How could you have any idea of their culture if you don’t work there. The only culture I need is as much money as I can make as much time off as possible.

This is why HR has taken over large corporations everywhere. Why do people give two shiits about culture. It’s a job? It’s where you go to make money, nothing more. Do people not like money anymore? I don’t care about Spirit balls, more go mornings, cute murals in the crew rooms, pet Halloween costume contests, “fun” PAs, etc. Come in, be professional, make the money, cash the checks.

Large corporations everywhere have suppressed wages everywhere and replaced it with “culture” to make people feel good. It’s a scam. Not going to an airline because of perceived culture is ridiculous.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
United is sniping NK pilots like crazy. If they haven't called yet, I'd imagine it will be soon. Not sure I'd want to be tied up in another 121 training program during this hiring frenzy if B6 isn't your ultimate goal.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
JetBlue’s operation doesn’t run better than Spirit’s. The Irops hit very hard. Part of that is being an east coast centric airline that is now building up EWR probably faster than they should. The other reason is just simply bring a poorly run airline.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
As soon as you bail to JetBlue, Spirit would open EWR.
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Old 02-02-2022 | 08:46 AM
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As soon as you bail to JetBlue, Spirit would open EWR.
Haha, with my luck that's exactly what would happen!
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Old 02-02-2022 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm a Spirit FO, mid 30s, living in the northeastern quadrant of NJ and based in AC. I'm also considering going to a legacy with United being my target. Not interested in Delta (can't stand their pilot culture) or American (I've heard lousy workrules, miserable pilots, incompetent management, and several years for upgrade). However, if I don't get hired by United (and I have zero interest flying cargo), do you think JetBlue would be a little bit of a step up or purely a pointless lateral move? They have a highly convenient Newark base, but JFK and LGA are doable as well (shorter mileage than AC but traffic and high bridge tolls. However I'm planning to move closer to NYC and could then use public transit to get to JFK/LGA). I really like JetBlue's product, they seem better run than spirit, their pay is better, they're flying to Europe, etc., and I understand upgrades are no worse than Spirit and very quick for the E190 in NY. What do you all think?
Not sure what JetBlue has as a EWR base but UA's is huge and is very junior. The Mar Base roster shows the following staffing for EWR. The NB FO numbers are a little high as pilots that are still in new hire training are shown as staffed at the awarded base even though they aren't there yet.

The EWR base at UA is bigger than some airlines are in total!

777 and 787 FO slots have gone unfilled in EWR and are currently being offered in the New Hire classes. 737 and 320 Cap positions have gone unfilled in EWR as well. Those can't be given to new hires. The junior 787/777 Captains in EWR are 1500 seniority numbers junior to the most junior 787 Captain in ORD. Those data points give you the picture of just how junior EWR is.

One of the main reasons for that juniority is folks not wanting to commute to reserve. You are are responsible for all three airports, though the lion share of the trips are out of EWR. Reserve here at UA is not good, but most of the issues with it are really bad for commuters and not such a problem for local folks.

So, if you are staying put in NJ, then I would just set your sights on UA, stay where you are building hours and know that the call is coming soon. New hire classes of 65 per week here and at the other big carriers mean everybody is going to be getting called much quicker than most of us ever imagined possible.

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Old 02-02-2022 | 10:02 AM
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If you live remotely close to EWR you’d be crazy not to go there right now.
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