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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK
(Post 3374849)
What rumor is this? Is this something Spirit specific, or the “Frontier closed ORD so they’re going to close it for spirit after the merger too.” rumor?
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Originally Posted by IamEssential
(Post 3374853)
Frontier closed ORD for a reason and Spirit is experiencing those exact same issues. ORD won't close as a base but......
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Originally Posted by Ddts
(Post 3374875)
what issues?
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3374879)
Not enough gates to handle expanded flying.
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3374879)
Not enough gates to handle expanded flying.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3375863)
The disappearance of the regionals ought to solve that one…
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Originally Posted by IamEssential
(Post 3375872)
Regionals don’t own gates so not sure how that would help.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3375901)
Without occupants, gates get reassigned. Vacant gates are an opportunity and there will soon be a lot more of them.
Look at DFW, the gates used to be Airways. Airways merges with AA and a week later, AA is stacking regionals at those gates. DFW airport knows where their “bread is buttered,” and so does ORD |
Originally Posted by IamEssential
(Post 3374852)
That combined with the decrease in upgrades is certainly putting a dent on those times coming down post-COVID.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
(Post 3375913)
Not that simple. If those regional gates are occupied by AA or UAL regionals, don’t think for a minute the ORD airport authority will hand them over to Spirit, against the wishes of AA and UAL
Look at DFW, the gates used to be Airways. Airways merges with AA and a week later, AA is stacking regionals at those gates. DFW airport knows where their “bread is buttered,” and so does ORD |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3375917)
Except the regionals are dying. And even if the legacies pick up that flying with A220s, they’ll use less gates than legions of 50 seaters. And the gates won’t sit empty long if others can use them.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
(Post 3375923)
You’re talking about scenarios for years down the road. We are talking about gate space this next year.
https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Small-communities-see-airlift-vanish-as-pilot-shortage-hits-regional-flyers According to an analysis by the consulting firm Zwelbar-Zhong, U.S. airlines are slated to operate 43% fewer departures this March using small regional jets than they did in March 2019, even as departures for 70- to 76-seat regional jets as well as mainline aircraft are at least 90% recovered. Also telling: regional 50-seat departures had recovered to 67% of the 2019 level by July, before that recovery came to a sudden, and thus far lasting, halt. To a degree, the pullback is reflective of a long-term industry trend away from 50-seat flying. The planes require two pilots, just like larger 76-seat regional jets, but their smaller size reduces revenue potential. https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-...s-cuts-routes/ Broader reductionsSkyWest offered some guidance on its 2022 outlook when it provided its fourth-quarter results last week. Citing staffing challenges, the airline anticipated a reduction in its block hours in 2022 to be down around 10-15% compared to its 2021 block hours.Robert Simmons, Chief Financial Officer at SkyWest, stated the following on the carrier's fourth-quarter earnings call: "We expect block hour production in 2022 to be down 10 to 15% from 2021 production, related to the staffing imbalance as we focus on growing our ERJ fleet and pulling down some of our CRJ fleet. The staffing challenges related to COVID, mix, and attrition have extended our COVID transition for another year or two." |
Originally Posted by Meep
(Post 3375916)
Pretty sure the upgrade time is going up and management is baffled as to why people are leaving.
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Originally Posted by king10pin02
(Post 3380882)
they certainly are not baffled. they know exactly why and how many are leaving, and to where they are going. dont underestimate how smart bean counters are. they have metrics and spreadsheets etc to know exactly what point this is actually a problem. when it is they will come to table.
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Originally Posted by Stryker172
(Post 3380883)
They see the movement, I highly doubt they fully understand the why behind the movement.
correct. The C suite is not Stupid. Pilots to rag on management as short sighted and dumb but i often times don’t think that’s the case. They know the market very very well. How they address it and other issues is yet to be seen , but don’t kid yourself. They have their finger on the pulse of the entire industry. Not to mention I’m pretty sure we do exit interviews |
Phx...
Phx...
Once the merger is done |
Originally Posted by ULLI
(Post 3381084)
Phx...
Once the merger is done now that Sprit will have a PHX base later, this should attract new talent. |
Originally Posted by king10pin02
(Post 3380882)
they certainly are not baffled. they know exactly why and how many are leaving, and to where they are going. dont underestimate how smart bean counters are. they have metrics and spreadsheets etc to know exactly what point this is actually a problem. when it is they will come to table.
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Pretty sure frontier’s PHX base is strictly to grab a piece of the CFI pie that resides there. Compass did the same thing, brought a lot of people in the door
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 3381139)
now that Sprit will have a PHX base later, this should attract new talent.
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Originally Posted by SSlow
(Post 3381904)
Yeah but it won't be junior, not by a long shot
well that’s good then.... that means it’s a place that people want. |
ATL and MIA for the win
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More day trips & 2-days, I’m assuming system wide?
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3382290)
More day trips & 2-days, I’m assuming system wide?
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And stagnation for anyone not wanting ATL
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now we can have 3 bases that shut down at the same time for weather irop! Cant wait!
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3382290)
More day trips & 2-days, I’m assuming system wide?
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Yuppp
Originally Posted by Judge Smails
(Post 3382303)
That rumble you hear is all the commuters running for the nearest exit. They are completely phucking themselves with this.
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Originally Posted by wattsrp
(Post 3382308)
I’ve loved my time at Spirit and didn’t plan on leaving, but this sadly makes me have to update some apps.
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Barring offering up commuter hotels, this will cause serious attrition.
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Where is everyone hearing more day trips from?
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Originally Posted by Airbear10
(Post 3382318)
Where is everyone hearing more day trips from?
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Originally Posted by Airbear10
(Post 3382318)
Where is everyone hearing more day trips from?
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I find it hilarious that the email mentioned non-Florida based pilots flying the LATAM routes of MIA.
Of course it wasn't going to go over well lol...what else did they expect? |
Not only commuters will be impacted but I fly with a lot guys that live an hour or more from the airport. This is going to suck all around. Also, it seems day trips pay less…
I also think some bases may shrink. Not only trying to staff the new bases but I think some bases have less departures than some focus cities. |
Originally Posted by a2cbus
(Post 3382332)
Not only commuters will be impacted but I fly with a lot guys that live an hour or more from the airport. This is going to suck all around. Also, it seems day trips pay less…
I also think some bases may shrink. Not only trying to staff the new bases but I think some bases have less departures than some focus cities. |
Where is everyone hearing more day trips from?
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
(Post 3382323)
Check your email. 70% turns. It doesn’t mean all of them will be day trips but I would expect a significant increase in day trips and a decrease in overall trip mix.
Honestly for me that’s a bonus but I know if you commute turns are terrible (been there done that). Also why are we opening bases that frontier already has? Why add overlap before we try and get approved for the merger? This makes no sense to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Airbear10
(Post 3382318)
Where is everyone hearing more day trips from?
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Also company email
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