Is there an echo in here? Check company email

I am curious as to what the benefit would be to running MIA as a separate domicile instead of co with FLL…. Anyone have insight?

I think they’ll do co domicile.

Although the CBA is vague on co-domicile language, one potential benefit would be saving money on either employee parking or ground transportation. It would be expensive to pay for parking at both airports for everyone in a co-domicile situation. The only other benefit is having reserves with the callout time based on reporting to MIA, which doesn't seem like it would do much.

We won’t be on one list for several years. They probably need a domicile yesterday. It’s not really adding more flying (overlap) than we already had planned. Just positioning crews where they want them.

The email from JM specifically says co-domicile in MIA

Lol, you sound like the same 5 guys *****ing on Whatsapp.

How do you figure day trips pay less?

Very very few multi day trips are rigged for TAFB and that’s the only way they could pay less than a day trip.

I think trip mix will stay just as lopsided as it is now only the bother direction. Right now it’s all 4 days with a handful of turns and two days for the very top of the seniority list. Now it will be turns and two days with a handful of 4 days for the commuters. Just as bad of a mix only the other way.

I love turns and two days especially but this will lead to more bases. More bases means less flexibility. A few massive bases are best for flexibility for all unless you commute from a city that will be a new base then it’s great for those people

4 day trips have been trending way for block vs TAFB over the last year, no doubt. As we grow, we will fly more legs a day so block will be the predominant pay, not TAFB

Just look at the schedules now and see how many more 3-5 leg days there were than before. And that will then result in more short overnights. Even with the 18 hour trigger this contract, I’ve noticed my short stay overnights exceeding long stay. Basically they are working us more and will continue as we add dots.

Hopefully at least the day trips will pay higher credit with increased utilization. But I’m expecting 3-4 leg days with that. LAS guys will get punished with that west coast hop crap.

Soooo, we are becoming Southwest without the pay, rigs, days off, and other such blather….. great!

They did say the next Southwest…

because that’s what I said

dont forget we have 3 days too

Edit for the less and more clarification

Who wants to do those? Too long for an in baser. Too short to have blocks of days off for the commuter except for the dreaded back to back three day. That’s like airline pilot hell

I’m personally quite excited I won’t have to wait 10 or 15 more years to hold all two day flying or a mix of one and two day

I never said that I liked to do that...but I actually do like 3 day trips. I was just saying dont forget take them into account.

anyways.

Does anybody know how many senior daddies we have in DFW or Florida that commute from the Atlanta area currently?

And if somebody could insert the best picture of what they think a “senior daddy” looks like that would help.

Don’t know if it’s good or bad for you guys, but you’re about to get huge influx of Allegiant new hires, and pilots who are looking for this, and/or were looking at G4, for “Home Every Night”. So, your attrition is about to be abated somewhat imo. Your company would be smart to prioritize G4 pilots in order to hobble a competitor ULCC.

so we’re gonna get like Appleton, flagstaff and Fargo base pilots tripping over them selves to comes to Spirit just so they can not live in base anymore AND just to have a less chance of a 4 day trip in their new base of ATL, ACY or MIA???

Looking forward to 0515 shows, 5.5 hrs block, 3+ hour sits in MCO, AUS, RSW, 11hr domicile rest. Or the reverse. Day sleep in domicile 4 to 5 days in a row.

But hey, look how much the company is going to save on hotel expense. They just pass that expense to the pilot to enhance the "career".

If that's what it turns into you can count me out.

Instead of panicking and making stuff up, why don’t we just wait and see how it shakes up?

You know, they might have just kicked the idea around with the pilot group to see what sort of reception this got before they decided to implement it. I believe in the ULCC business model but the model is scarcely bulletproof. When you shoot it in the foot you are going to hobble it for a long long time…

because that would make APC a boring place to visit.

That noise you hear is about 100 dfw pilots going to united this spring. The promise of a Houston base is fading….

It's hard to hear over the 200 or so West coast pilots.

Man a lot of panic here.

first off, in the current hiring environment, I’m surprised anyone commutes for this place. If you’re going to (unwisely) commute for a career, there are plenty of options such as legacies or moving to base.

living In base, this news seems like a dream come true. Living in base here is already a dream come true. The quality of life is insane. Even when I barely had the seniority to hold a line, I just drop it all to zero and fly 200% trips and maybe a couple high-credit day trips, which I’ll also drop if the 200% pours in. Home in my own bed 28+ days a month crediting well over 100, routinely.

For some people, like those who live in spirit bases (particularly the FL bases), this is the best airline on the planet to be at, and this email only sweetens that deal. Not to mention the staffing this summer will have the X-list phone calls going nonstop.

Just trying to shed a little positive light, I’m aware that doing so is illegal on APC. We have such a pleasant/happy pilot group sometimes I wonder if it’s a different group of people on these forums :D

It’s nice to see a positive light. I start at the end of the month with the intention of making Orlando home, and it’s hard to be THRILLED about it when everyone on here is so negative.

Coming from a regional, anything Spirit has to offer is a massive improvement. Add onto that the QOL of living in base (which I hope we keep), and I might not ever want to leave!

Living in base really is key to truly calling it having a “good quality of life”. IMHO if you’re a commuter you are also enjoying quality of life by choice but merely due to the fact that you choose to live where you want. Your job life is not easier so quality of life is a different concept. More day trips will reduce this even further.

Fact check


x list is no guarantee. X list is by seniority and x list hours accrued. Zero guarantee x list calls will even happen on a day off as well. I have listed for x list on days off and received zero calls. This can all be audited by the share point website.

You cannot plan your pay or credit on x list guarantee. Also, As new hires are released to the line they will get all X list calls first as they have “ zero” x list hours. And 120 new hire FO’s a month results in less x list calls for the senior FO’s looking to make some bank as your fellow new hire FO’s are ready to make some
bank after unpaid training.

just pointing out the facts. Dropping to zero and picking up x list is zero guarantee. Have to literally sit by your phone 24/7.

better to have a cba that actually pays pilots versus waiting eagerly to fly any overtime trip to still make 40 percent less then a legacy pilot

Unless you like 20mins from the airport this new trip mix will suck.

If there's any certainty in airline pilot life, it's that everyone will always disagree on the best trip mix.

If you live in base you hate 4 days, and want 1-3 day trips depending how far you live from the base. If you commute, 1-2 day trips suck and aren't worth commuting in for, but also 3 days suck because you don't get enough days off. 4 days are desirable but only if they're commutable.

And the wheel goes round and round.

I live 25 minutes from the parking lot and have zero interest in driving in city traffic every day. This could very well suck supposing I don’t get to commute to some other base and spend money on hotels or crash pads due to downsizing. Yay.

This, plus add on on 30mins to get from the lot to the airport will make 10hr overnights fun.

I’ll be princess parking. I’m not spending an hour a day on the bus on top of an hour a day driving in to work.

Sounds like we need princess parking in our new CBA

who’s getting 10 hour overnights?

I can’t remember the last time I had min rest.

you guys on here are funny. Spirit is not about to become the new Allegiant...read the email again. 70% turns out of a base OR another Spirit Station. Sure the 1-2 day trips are going up but not like what y’all are saying on here.

Commutable trips see 10-hour overnights...alot of them. 3 of my last 6 overnights were scheduled at barely over 10 hours, and 75% of my overnights are at short stay hotels with crappy hotel van service.

It's weird when this guy sounds the most sensible of all of you.

If you’re rude this bus for turns the joke is on you for being an idiot