Jet blue wants us now
06-16-2022 | 01:12 PM
#1361
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2022
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From: A320CA
We are hourly union workers. Blue collar, expendable/easily replaced and vastly over paid when viewed by executives, bureaucrats and esteemed academia. I doubt we will ever get the profession back to pre 2001 levels and pre deregulation is a fairy tale.
There are no pilot friendly management groups out there.
There are no pilot friendly management groups out there.
We are not blue collar. Having a union doesn’t make you blue collar. There is nothing wrong with blue collar work at all but this ain’t it.
06-16-2022 | 02:03 PM
#1362
That/It/Thang
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We are hourly union workers. Blue collar, expendable/easily replaced and vastly over paid when viewed by executives, bureaucrats and esteemed academia. I doubt we will ever get the profession back to pre 2001 levels and pre deregulation is a fairy tale.
There are no pilot friendly management groups out there.
There are no pilot friendly management groups out there.
06-16-2022 | 04:04 PM
#1363
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Just so you know…you don’t instantly go on their contract once you merge. You have to have a 3 party negotiation with the company, Spirit ALPA and JB ALPA. My guess is that JB ALPA isn’t going to just agree to get no contract gains so that Spirit pilots can all be moved up to a better contract. So its going to be a long negotiation. Also the company will not really want to have any work rule or pay improvements so they will just filibuster as long as they can. I’d be shocked if it was less than 5 years to get a new contract. By then everyone will have a chance to go to a Legacy that will already have new contracts.
But... They can't do that without a JCBA. They HAVE to have a JCBA, voted in by the pilots, before they can merge the company/operations.
All their brand aspirations, network and cost synergies depend upon merging the company into one larger single entity, and they can't do that without a JCBA. A joint CBA will take 9-18 months. They need a JCBA anyway to help with attrition and growing the airline.
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06-16-2022 | 04:21 PM
#1364
That/It/Thang
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Just so you know…you don’t instantly go on their contract once you merge. You have to have a 3 party negotiation with the company, Spirit ALPA and JB ALPA. My guess is that JB ALPA isn’t going to just agree to get no contract gains so that Spirit pilots can all be moved up to a better contract. So its going to be a long negotiation. Also the company will not really want to have any work rule or pay improvements so they will just filibuster as long as they can. I’d be shocked if it was less than 5 years to get a new contract. By then everyone will have a chance to go to a Legacy that will already have new contracts.
As Blue said, so much stupid with this post.
06-16-2022 | 05:00 PM
#1365
On Reserve
Joined: Nov 2019
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It's ok to be blue collar. I'm a farm kid and ok with who I am.
06-16-2022 | 05:10 PM
#1366
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Say what? "Easily expendable/replaced" is not what you have when you have pilots getting overnight raises to attract pilots, its just the opposite. Open your eyes, the industry is setting up for contracts that will be the best since pre 2001. This is because pilots are not easily replaced, you think there would even be talk of 67/68 if those retiring were so easy to replace at cheap rates?
And to the easily replaced, I think so. Spirit pilots are self trained. The Airbus was designed for 0 time new hires. Add a few more sims, actual systems class and voila! A pilot is born.
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06-16-2022 | 05:17 PM
#1367
That/It/Thang
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In 2000, UAL inked a deal that put the Airbus rate of a maxed out captain in year four of the CBA at ≈$253/HR. Today, that number would be, adjusted for inflation, a little over $400/hr. Some airline pilots might see that number, but they won't be working for Spirit/JetBlue/Frontier. I hope we see actual gains but I've been around long enough to expect to keep working this job for less compensation year over year.
And to the easily replaced, I think so. Spirit pilots are self trained. The Airbus was designed for 0 time new hires. Add a few more sims, actual systems class and voila! A pilot is born.
And to the easily replaced, I think so. Spirit pilots are self trained. The Airbus was designed for 0 time new hires. Add a few more sims, actual systems class and voila! A pilot is born.
Keep devaluing yourself as an easily replaceable airbus pilot while saying we need $500/hr. You’re a walking talking contradiction
06-16-2022 | 05:24 PM
#1368
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Over $400/hr. Not $500/hr. That's just ridiculous.
06-16-2022 | 07:12 PM
#1369
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2015
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Not exact sure what you’re getting at here, we shouldn’t have to concede from industry rates. B6 has industry rates currently. F9 does not. I’m close to the top of the scale where the difference is much closer, either merger will be fine for me. It would be nice to fly with F/Os who want to stay and get paid industry rates. I don’t want this airline to turn into the new “regional” of the airlines.
06-16-2022 | 07:16 PM
#1370
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
It's already built into his assumptions, and it's built into mine.
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