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Old 06-17-2022 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
How do you figure? They need a JCBA in place before they start converting the aircraft. Logic defies you.
sir, please…… this is APC. I don’t need logic. Let me just be miserable 😂
Old 06-17-2022 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Somehow, JB is coming up with the cash to purchase Spirit and refurb 250+ aircraft. They can and will cough up a contract for us, too.
JB has already acquired the financing for said conversions. There are some very smart bankers that have looked at the numbers and are willing to back this deal. I don't think any of us simple minded pilots are on the same level, in terms of finance, as those ivy league graduates at Goldman Sachs.

Assuredly, pay numbers have been taken into account. They have numbers on a high and low end. It's up to the company to negotiate us down to the low end, and us to negotiate to the high end. That's it.

Im not saying we shouldn't discuss our concerns, that's the point of the forum, but we have no idea what the numbers are. JB is attempting to create economies of scale that will help them make further profits. Same as why Frontier is trying to merge with us. The elementary discussions we are capable of making to those effects are just that, basic. We don't have the numbers in front of us to create any educated arguments for or against what JB is or isn't able to pay.

Not coming at you btw, just commenting off your point
Old 06-17-2022 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
sir, please…… this is APC. I don’t need logic. Let me just be miserable 😂
Honesty award of the day! 🏅
Old 06-17-2022 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cockpit997
honesty award of the day! 🏅
😂😂👍🏼👍🏼
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Old 06-17-2022 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops
JB has already acquired the financing for said conversions. There are some very smart bankers that have looked at the numbers and are willing to back this deal. I don't think any of us simple minded pilots are on the same level, in terms of finance, as those ivy league graduates at Goldman Sachs.

Assuredly, pay numbers have been taken into account. They have numbers on a high and low end. It's up to the company to negotiate us down to the low end, and us to negotiate to the high end. That's it.

Im not saying we shouldn't discuss our concerns, that's the point of the forum, but we have no idea what the numbers are. JB is attempting to create economies of scale that will help them make further profits. Same as why Frontier is trying to merge with us. The elementary discussions we are capable of making to those effects are just that, basic. We don't have the numbers in front of us to create any educated arguments for or against what JB is or isn't able to pay.

Not coming at you btw, just commenting off your point
No offense taken, perfectly reasonable take, and I agree with you for the most part.
Old 06-17-2022 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
sir, please…… this is APC. I don’t need logic. Let me just be miserable 😂
haha so true, I’m sorry if you have to start driving to ewr.
Old 06-17-2022 | 02:33 PM
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haha so true, I’m sorry if you have to start driving to ewr.
newark is closer than ACY for me, it’s JFK i’m dreading lol
Old 06-17-2022 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
How do you figure? They need a JCBA in place before they start converting the aircraft. Logic defies you.
Actually this is incorrect. They can paint and interior any spirit planes they want. United had plenty of planes painted United “operated by continental” while they worked on a JCBA and SLI.

It’s not efficient to keep it all separate but they can and will brand change any of the spirit planes as fast as they can. They just will continue to be operated by spirit pilots only. Our contract doesn’t prevent repainting or what interiors the company can put in the planes. And they will continue to suffer from massive attrition.

This is me making an assumption of your definition of “converting”
Old 06-18-2022 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
newark is closer than ACY for me, it’s JFK i’m dreading lol
No it's not...
Old 06-18-2022 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RonnyK320
No it's not...
Ohhh no, a Jersey fight. Watch out for knives and then throwing manigot at each other. You guys keep it clean.
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