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dualinput 12-14-2022 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3551802)
You're assuming the B6/NK merger is approved. If it isn't, then we're stuck with this half-baked TA for years waiting for Franke and Co. to really hose us.

100 percent

dualinput 12-14-2022 01:16 PM

This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.

Excargodog 12-14-2022 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3551825)
This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.

JetBlue first year guys have been making $90 plus an hour for the last four years. They seem to have survived without screwing over their junior people.

And their 12 year 320 CAs make $283 +16% DC - and that’s their CURRENT contract. Again, without screwing over there newbies.

Stayontarget 12-14-2022 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3551825)
This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.

Frontiers attrition of new hires was 20% prior to the raise and…..wait for it……20% after the raise. Negligible change. I don’t have access to recruiting numbers. I really don’t think it’s as earth shattering a provision as it’s made out to be. Turns out the entire compensation package in addition to QOL makes the real difference. Sprinkled with a bit of name on the plane no doubt.

Halon1211 12-14-2022 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3551821)
100 percent


… and the fear mongering continues…

Stayontarget 12-14-2022 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3551867)
… and the fear mongering continues…

It’s pretty humorous. Regarding the rumors with Frontier…

“Raise first year pay? Leverage gone!” - meanwhile Frontiers new hire attrition unchanged

“You can be sure DFW will be CLOSED if we merge!” -Frontier opens DFW base

“You can be sure Franke and Frontiers negotiation will drag out for YEARS!” -Spirit and Frontier said they hoped to have the merger complete by the end of 2022. TA sent out only after 3 months….

Tx Paratroopr 12-14-2022 02:58 PM

Some of yall need to call my good buddy JG Wentworth really bad.

ShortBusRider 12-14-2022 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr (Post 3551882)
Some of yall need to call my good buddy JG Wentworth really bad.

I hear he’s great if you have a structured settlement.

onedolla 12-14-2022 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3551880)
It’s pretty humorous. Regarding the rumors with Frontier…

“Raise first year pay? Leverage gone!” - meanwhile Frontiers new hire attrition unchanged

“You can be sure DFW will be CLOSED if we merge!” -Frontier opens DFW base

“You can be sure Franke and Frontiers negotiation will drag out for YEARS!” -Spirit and Frontier said they hoped to have the merger complete by the end of 2022. TA sent out only after 3 months….

So this Spirit TA is part of the Spirit Frontier merger? Nice!

Chimpy 12-14-2022 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3551802)
You're assuming the B6/NK merger is approved. If it isn't, then we're stuck with this half-baked TA for years waiting for Franke and Co. to really hose us.

true, there is that risk… but I do think this merger easily gets approved


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