goodness, you used a bunch of words to show everybody that you have no idea what the hell you are even talking about.

It’s already been mentioned but you don’t get it. It’s about utilization. Airplanes not flying at peak utilization is why we aren’t profitable and why the company is even at the table. Paying us delta pay wouldn’t make or break profitability. There are cost advantages elsewhere and utilization is a big part of that.

Pilots have never been and will never be in charge of making the airline profitable. That's why the beard gets his million dollar bonuses and stock options. If gas prices go up, they charge more. It's simple. Every airline's labor price is going up, so they will all charge more. The ULCC model depends on cramming more butts in the seats, charging for anything extra, and flying the crap out of the airplanes. Pilot compensation in line with legacies doesn't hinder that end. Airplanes sitting on the ground does, however.

Better be a joke!!

Has to be a joke. Mesa airlines pays new hires $100.


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You don't get it. Pilots pay goes to top, guess what FAs want top pay, rampers, mechanics, etc. Overall labor bill is HUGE for any airline. I'm not not just talking about pilot pay. Total labor. Your business models thrives on lower costs which pretty much equals lower wages all around.

Come back to me in a few years when you have 100s of millions in merger expenses, labor through the roof and tell me how your profit sharing check is doing. You show you know nothing.

God not another one of these trolls. **** off back to your United forums.

I just hope we have the balls to vote no.

We haven’t even the seen an ounce of details and the infighting is priceless ! The Next month is gonna be fun to watch the bickering on here! Popcorn ready.

Same story at the legacies… it seems like you’re trying to paint this picture to make you feel superior at your airline. Maybe? Well news flash you flying your A320 around is no more special than Spirit pilots flying their A320 around. I know a guy that failed her/his checkride. Got fired from their LCC. Within a month hired by United. We’re all on the same team here as pilots. Why not fight and make good reason for your peers to get what they deserve.

Totally. Gonna get loud.

Wait, you don’t even work here and are trying to convince us to make less? Kick rocks man

My guess is MEC thinks it comes up short. Sends it back to NC to go back to the table. We get no details today.

If this happens, no need sending the same negotiation group back.

it is. This guy comes up with new BS numbers every day. Pay no attention to the man behind the speed brake

bless your heart. My favorite part was how you doubled down. Lol. APC is a fun little break from reality.

No real dog in this fight. But, have you ever heard of Frank Lorenzo?

Did I just age myself? For you youngsters, Frank Lorenzo was a very important man! Adored by some, loathed by most. With today’s pilot market his tactics would equal to “****ing into wind.”

Don’t take my word for it. A little research will show that some Regional pilots are making something like $300k or even more! Do we think that their management found religion all of a sudden? Did they become lovers of labor all of a sudden​​​​​? Or, could it be that they just can’t staff their pilot ranks?

My theory is that for those that don’t wanna pay and play, they will eventually suffer the consequences via recruiting shortfalls and attrition.

This is premature. There is a well defined process for how this all works, and if the AIP is determined to not meet expectations then the NC will be sent back with updated parameters to negotiate to. Let’s not campaign to throw anyone under the bus with no information about what was on the table.

Agreed. The negotiation committee has boundaries set by the voting members of the MEC. They have zero authority to go lower on their own.

Yeah...so one of those posters throwing grenades doesn't even work here, and another is still in training with a wet ATP from republic and has never flown a single day of 121 on the line.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail amongst those of us who actually work here and are eligible to vote.

Nice try Bendo

If the numbers are true that I just heard from a pretty reliable source, Spirit’s costs will rise, and the same amount of pilots will be walking out the door.

What time are we supposed to hear the news today?


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Only if it gets voted on, and voted in.....

​​​​​​I am intimately aware of how this process works from inside the ring and stand by my thought. If the NC brings an agreement to the MEC that doesn't pass their approval, then the NC either didn't know what the parameters were to start with or the MEC moved the goal line and didn't tell them.

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Voted for Memrat, 27%..

bickering beginning in 3…….2……..1……

Yeah I’m sure you’re right, either of those scenarios are likely what happened. It’s the intimacy that’s so convincing.

AIP passed MEC, standby for TA sent to pilots

50% or bust

Any indication on when the actual breakdown by year and seat will be available to us?

What about a snap up clause? I’m done being the bottom feeder

Zero concessions is nice, but I expected that anyway. Until we see numbers I guess we are still in a hold. EFC time unknown

Go to delta

No Thanks, not a fan of double breast

Do you agree then that we are bottom feeders?

I like a nice pair myself.

Theres always an excuse. My guess is already got turned down.

No concessions but now company is able to get 1st year pay raises without union approval nice


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Sometimes people just don’t want to go to delta. Assuming there’s “always an excuse” is such a presumptuous, lame, delta-y thing to say.