Attrition significantly increasing
01-05-2025 | 10:11 AM
#31
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A career at Spirit will never even come close to matching a career at a legacy airline. I am glad, though, that there are some that are "too lazy to send out (their) stuff right now". There needs to be someone left at Spirit to turn the lights off when it is all said and done.
01-05-2025 | 11:38 AM
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Show your work. If your are at the top of the list and the top of the scale living in base doing the exact trips you want to do, show me where starting over at the bottom makes your life the same or better?
Do you make up the money lost by starting over? Maybe depends on many variables but age would be the biggest.
Do you ever get your schedule back? Most likely not unless you are quite young. And if you do how many years of garbage schedule must you endure to get it back? What is the family dynamic (kids ages) while you and they suffer through your new **** schedule reality?
Remember if you want to try and recoup the money loss quicker then the schedule will take a hit for longer.
Aint nobody trying to do 3+ day trips ever again let alone 5 day trips.
Now if spirit is out of business this is all moot.
And of course if you were starting your career today yes a career at a legacy would most likely be better than one at spirit
Do you make up the money lost by starting over? Maybe depends on many variables but age would be the biggest.
Do you ever get your schedule back? Most likely not unless you are quite young. And if you do how many years of garbage schedule must you endure to get it back? What is the family dynamic (kids ages) while you and they suffer through your new **** schedule reality?
Remember if you want to try and recoup the money loss quicker then the schedule will take a hit for longer.
Aint nobody trying to do 3+ day trips ever again let alone 5 day trips.
Now if spirit is out of business this is all moot.
And of course if you were starting your career today yes a career at a legacy would most likely be better than one at spirit
That number changes to 11 years with a 6 year upgrade and 13 years with an 8 year upgrade.
All numbers assume current NK Captain, guarantee pay, assume that NK pay rates do not go down, and no profit sharing is included.
01-05-2025 | 04:36 PM
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If you have 8 or more years left then you will make more money at DL/AA/UA than you will by staying at NK assuming an upgrade at year 4.
That number changes to 11 years with a 6 year upgrade and 13 years with an 8 year upgrade.
All numbers assume current NK Captain, guarantee pay, assume that NK pay rates do not go down, and no profit sharing is included.
That number changes to 11 years with a 6 year upgrade and 13 years with an 8 year upgrade.
All numbers assume current NK Captain, guarantee pay, assume that NK pay rates do not go down, and no profit sharing is included.
01-05-2025 | 06:04 PM
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Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off
01-05-2025 | 07:50 PM
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there indeed is a misconception in ULCC-land that "Big-3 FO's" have a crappy QOL and crappy schedules
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off
Hired at a legacy TODAY will probably not result in the same level of ability to control one’s schedule as someone hired 2-3 years ago. The hiring and growth in 2022-2023 was incredible. So there’s a bit of that to contend with.
01-05-2025 | 10:27 PM
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My pants are loose since I started ozempic.
01-06-2025 | 01:09 AM
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there indeed is a misconception in ULCC-land that "Big-3 FO's" have a crappy QOL and crappy schedules
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off
just something to think about. We all should have left in 2021. I left at the tail end of this hiring boom and it cos me 6,000#s at least and could have held CA within 6 months and now who knows how long and when / if I hold it, I’ll be Junior for a long time.
01-06-2025 | 04:53 AM
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I would argue maybe not, goal should be an intersection of the best combination of money, QOL, and perhaps type of flying that works for you.
Career WB FO's are common enough.
Story of my life. Never got furloughed, but tended to be risk-averse to a fault in making career moves. Finally leaned a little bit over my skis and took a legacy-ish job early in the wave. Way behind some of my peers, but better late than never.
Career WB FO's are common enough.
Story of my life. Never got furloughed, but tended to be risk-averse to a fault in making career moves. Finally leaned a little bit over my skis and took a legacy-ish job early in the wave. Way behind some of my peers, but better late than never.
01-06-2025 | 04:57 AM
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I’m just shy of 2 years at U and have only worked ONE major holiday - my very first Thanksgiving. That’s it. I could also have all weekends off if that is something I truly cared about. Mainly it’s only during FB season or certain times of the year I prioritize it, otherwise I get the overnights and flying I enjoy.
As for vacation? I don’t know. Every base and fleet bids differently. One base/fleet might have more options or weeks available than others etc. no idea. I’ve only bid once. I bid the week I needed in December for a cruise I had already had planned and got that. I randomly was awarded Feb for my 2nd week as I didn’t care what happened after that. Our next years annual vacation bid opens soon.
My awarded schedule for Jan is 19 days off. This is NB Airbus. I’m not a WB FO. I’m roughly 50% total in base. I fly three 4 days this month.
As for vacation? I don’t know. Every base and fleet bids differently. One base/fleet might have more options or weeks available than others etc. no idea. I’ve only bid once. I bid the week I needed in December for a cruise I had already had planned and got that. I randomly was awarded Feb for my 2nd week as I didn’t care what happened after that. Our next years annual vacation bid opens soon.
My awarded schedule for Jan is 19 days off. This is NB Airbus. I’m not a WB FO. I’m roughly 50% total in base. I fly three 4 days this month.
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