Wasn't making an argument one way or the other. I am pro Union.

 

If Pratt had to pay in cash for the harm done to every airline in the world this disaster has caused Pratt wouldn’t exist anymore and then there would never be any engines.

 

No. These are all produced 2022 or later. No engine issues

There are 18 more currently flying the line right now, those will go down, yes, but not these.

 

It’s not an insult, just a reality. If you think a surgeon, judge, university gender studies professor or marketing executive or the people sitting across the table at negotiations view you and I in their league, you’d be very wrong. They may say at get togethers, “wow, that must be a really cool job”, but in their paid off Porche #2 on their way home, they are telling their wife there is no way they would work for the scraps we do while being gone 15+ days from home and family.

A friend of mine grew up in a neighborhood in DEN full of doctors. They were none too impressed with their kids playing with the UA captain’s kid down the street. His Dad was a union member! Eeeeww.

Now I am not saying that we are not vastly under compensated for our skill set. ALPA has largely just become another branch of management and all of our contracts look like it compared to what the profession was back in 1990’s and previous. The math doesn’t lie. That coupled with we are not willing to walk away with our intellect and do something else to make better (lots) money. Maybe we aren’t all that smart.

I think Flying the Line should have been a mandatory read to get into good standing with ALPA /APA/SWAPA when first hired at a 121 carrier. Especially if you’ve only been doing this for 15 years or so.

 

N936NK grounded 9/19/23 .... 708 days
N932NK grounded 9/20/23 .... 707 days
N937NK grounded 9/21/23 .... 706 days
N943NK grounded 9/28/23 .... 698 days
N907NK grounded 11/6/23 .... 660 days
N940NK grounded 11/7/23 .... 659 days
N912NK grounded 12/4/23 .... 633 days

plus multiple early 2024

yeah, 800 days will come fast......

 

So let me get this straight- you're saying it's ok to produce a product that doesn't perform as advertised and do nothing about it. Ford paid out millions for the Pinto's issues and Firestone paid out billions for their debachle in the early 2000's.

Pratt is part of RTX and RTX is worth billions.

Whether or not we can generate a profit with those NEO's out of service remains to be seen. Fact of the matter is we can't even try. But hey, at least they're covering the mx costs up to $150 million. How about they chip in for the leases and storage costs while these planes sit??

 

Y'all lose money on flying. The PW issues are a blessing. The less planes flying and less money the company loses. At least PW paying for the planes to be grounded.

 

Now this is white collar thinking. 😀

 

They did sign such a clause. They waived right to sue with the credits they received.

 

When an airline buys engines, they come with various ongoing service agreements. You can buy an engine with no coverage, or add on coverage, including repairs, replacement engines, etc.

Spirit chose to purchase none of these to keep costs down. The $150M in repair and inspection credits is a gift. Spirit also waived their rights to sue with this agreement.

Spirit bought the engines without ongoing coverage, and then agreed to settle for $150M in credits in lieu of a lawsuit which it might not win and would take a long time, which they don't have.