View Poll Results: Displace back to FO or Commute for Left Seat?
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07-28-2025 | 07:22 PM
#154
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$1,000 a week covers my kids, my girlfriend, her 3 kids, and our 6 dogs. My boys are athletes and eat 3 or 4lbs a meat a week and almost a dozen eggs a day.
I just called our realtor today, I think we are gonna list our home and just downsize our lifestyle so my kids can keep playing club sports. I’ll take the downgrade and just keep applying. Sucks to be going backwards but it is what it is.
I just called our realtor today, I think we are gonna list our home and just downsize our lifestyle so my kids can keep playing club sports. I’ll take the downgrade and just keep applying. Sucks to be going backwards but it is what it is.
07-28-2025 | 07:45 PM
#155
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07-28-2025 | 07:47 PM
#156
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2015
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HA/AK
Hawaiian/Alaska combined window opens 08/01…unless you’re that one d-bag junior captain that trash talks us in the jumpseat and tries to compare paychecks and share screenshots of his hourly rate on his commute from HNL-LAS. All else please come, hiring 100+ on the Hawaiian side alone this year and more at AK to ramp up for 2026 deliveries.
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07-28-2025 | 08:34 PM
#157
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Joined: Jul 2025
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Hawaiian/Alaska combined window opens 08/01…unless you’re that one d-bag junior captain that trash talks us in the jumpseat and tries to compare paychecks and share screenshots of his hourly rate on his commute from HNL-LAS. All else please come, hiring 100+ on the Hawaiian side alone this year and more at AK to ramp up for 2026 deliveries.
07-28-2025 | 08:36 PM
#158
On Reserve
Joined: Oct 2023
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Not sure how many years you have on property, but I will assume you are at year 5.
Spirit year 5 FO is 176hr and you will be a line holder, living in base. Skywest DEC is 142 hr and you will be commuting to reserve. Skywest CA pay doesn't hit 176 until year 8. You will be perpetually junior, as every FO upgrading will knock you down in seniority. They also have a ridiculous training contract you have to sign, so you will be on the hook for that, as well. You won't hit $176 until year 4 at PSA. Still, commuting to reserve.
I think your best course of action would be to ride out Spirit as long as possible and contact a career counseling service like Raven, Emerald Coast, etc and find a path to a legacy. Commuting to a DEC job one of the worst jobs in this business.
Spirit year 5 FO is 176hr and you will be a line holder, living in base. Skywest DEC is 142 hr and you will be commuting to reserve. Skywest CA pay doesn't hit 176 until year 8. You will be perpetually junior, as every FO upgrading will knock you down in seniority. They also have a ridiculous training contract you have to sign, so you will be on the hook for that, as well. You won't hit $176 until year 4 at PSA. Still, commuting to reserve.
I think your best course of action would be to ride out Spirit as long as possible and contact a career counseling service like Raven, Emerald Coast, etc and find a path to a legacy. Commuting to a DEC job one of the worst jobs in this business.
07-28-2025 | 09:33 PM
#159
Prime Minister/Moderator
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07-29-2025 | 12:07 AM
#160
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Wanted to tag in on this just for some perspective on the AA side. I figured if your read this far into the thread, maybe someone can get some use out of this information.
I did a deep dive into our numbers. As of today, through the next 5 years (end of 2030) there are 3,886 mandatory retirements. the peak in next year, then is a slow decline through the end of the decade. i’ll post the numbers below. My buddy is a new hire mentor, and they got an email last week saying the company is looking to bring in an additional 600-900 by years end. what will put our total new hires this year at 1,200-1,500. Based on retirement numbers plus A/C growth, i expect that to continue next year.
2025 (today through year end) 431
2026: 819
2027: 734
2028: 677
2029: 645
2030: 580
As for A/C, the latest data I can see is from April, and it shows we have 123 planes slated for delivery in the next 3 years alone, with another 330 planes scheduled for delivery beyond 2028
Also, as of the last bid that just came out (we do 4 per year) UPG is right at 2 years, Wide Body out of NYC is hovering at 3. With so many retiring soon, mainly CA’s and wide body guys, I’d expect these numbers to still drop a bit lower.
This place is far from perfect, but i think our latest contract brings us on parallel with UA & DL (you could nitpick, as they have some things we don’t have, but we have some things they wish they had as well) and although I’m no fan of our management, in the last few months they’ve really started to put a strong emphasis on attracting premium customers and improving customer service. Who knew, the folks that pay the most need to be sought after lol
yes, we have debt, that’s also because we did a complete re-fleeting long before United and Delta did, and that debt is actually relatedly cheap given that those planes were bought before inflation pricing and interest rate skyrocketed post Covid. Additionally, due to a young fleet, there are no airplanes being retired for at least the end of the decade. every jet that gets delivered is pure growth.
Good luck guys. I love when we get Spirit guys over here at AA, they are an AWESOME group of dudes, and bring some great knowledge of QOL rules for their contract that we need to bring to our next section 6.
I did a deep dive into our numbers. As of today, through the next 5 years (end of 2030) there are 3,886 mandatory retirements. the peak in next year, then is a slow decline through the end of the decade. i’ll post the numbers below. My buddy is a new hire mentor, and they got an email last week saying the company is looking to bring in an additional 600-900 by years end. what will put our total new hires this year at 1,200-1,500. Based on retirement numbers plus A/C growth, i expect that to continue next year.
2025 (today through year end) 431
2026: 819
2027: 734
2028: 677
2029: 645
2030: 580
As for A/C, the latest data I can see is from April, and it shows we have 123 planes slated for delivery in the next 3 years alone, with another 330 planes scheduled for delivery beyond 2028
Also, as of the last bid that just came out (we do 4 per year) UPG is right at 2 years, Wide Body out of NYC is hovering at 3. With so many retiring soon, mainly CA’s and wide body guys, I’d expect these numbers to still drop a bit lower.
This place is far from perfect, but i think our latest contract brings us on parallel with UA & DL (you could nitpick, as they have some things we don’t have, but we have some things they wish they had as well) and although I’m no fan of our management, in the last few months they’ve really started to put a strong emphasis on attracting premium customers and improving customer service. Who knew, the folks that pay the most need to be sought after lol
yes, we have debt, that’s also because we did a complete re-fleeting long before United and Delta did, and that debt is actually relatedly cheap given that those planes were bought before inflation pricing and interest rate skyrocketed post Covid. Additionally, due to a young fleet, there are no airplanes being retired for at least the end of the decade. every jet that gets delivered is pure growth.
Good luck guys. I love when we get Spirit guys over here at AA, they are an AWESOME group of dudes, and bring some great knowledge of QOL rules for their contract that we need to bring to our next section 6.
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