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Old 04-03-2015 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
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I made sure to make note of my desire to see some bolstered merger/scope language
Odd the word scope wasn't even mentioned in the survey.
What would you like to see added / changed?
Old 04-03-2015 | 09:03 AM
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Plane, I think this was primarily a compensation focused survey...

I truly hope our union and the pilots know the difference between stock options and profit sharing. Ask employees of Enron how well stock options work out. Rule #1 in investing, don't directly invest in shares of the company you work for. Too many eggs in one basket...
Old 04-03-2015 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Odd the word scope wasn't even mentioned in the survey.
What would you like to see added / changed?
I only added it in my comments at the end to express desire to either make the language favor us in the event of a merger or at least explain to us in greater detail how our language compares to other airlines. Maybe ours is perfectly adequate but those I've spoken with seem to think it could use some tweaking. I'd be happy to hear more input or education in the issue since it's my biggest sticking point on a new contract.
Old 04-03-2015 | 10:27 AM
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Don't forget to add STD/LTD in the comments section.
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Plane, I think this was primarily a compensation focused survey...

Yes, but to put out a survey and ignore all other issues doesn't make a lot of sense.

As for the scope question, I've seen several people on here mention that it needs work. I was just looking for some examples of what needs to be changed.
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:15 AM
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I wish I knew what wording would be best but all I k ow is that it is something that is very important to me. I will say I think our management is doing a great job with the direction of the airline and prob has no intention of a merger as of today, but people and situations change and we should protect ourselves from greed in the future and more importantly make this a career desination for future pilots.
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Yes, but to put out a survey and ignore all other issues doesn't make a lot of sense.

As for the scope question, I've seen several people on here mention that it needs work. I was just looking for some examples of what needs to be changed.
Wasn't that the crux of the email, change just a few of the really important things (money), talk about the rest until 2019?

My only hope is that the MEC has agreed to it because they are privy as to the "why" the company want's to expedite those few sections. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense as it seems we are in a decent position to negotiate a full contract.

We certainly don't have the whole picture.
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:29 AM
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Follow up to the jumpseat thing, all 178 seats were full. The listing I made online Spirit's website as a OAL Jumpseat was still only showing as a non-rev. They made it clear that the flight was full. I mentioned being a CASS approved pilot, so the gate agent gave me a jumpseat form. I filled it out and got on (thank you to the crew).

For the future, if a flight is full, is it worth listing online? It just seems to make us a non-rev. If we jumpseat it seems like there is a paper form we have to fill out any way. What do you prefer? Do both methods? (I only ask because at some airlines, it's frowned to end up listing on a flight as both a non-rev and a jumpseater).
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:33 AM
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I agree. My fear is that management knows something and can exploit weakness in some areas ie merger/scope. But if my depleted brain cell capacity can figure that out I'm sure our negotiators have put plenty of thought into it. And at the end of the day we all get a vote so I'm not too wound up about it
Old 04-03-2015 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Follow up to the jumpseat thing, all 178 seats were full. The listing I made online Spirit's website as a OAL Jumpseat was still only showing as a non-rev. They made it clear that the flight was full. I mentioned being a CASS approved pilot, so the gate agent gave me a jumpseat form. I filled it out and got on (thank you to the crew).

For the future, if a flight is full, is it worth listing online? It just seems to make us a non-rev. If we jumpseat it seems like there is a paper form we have to fill out any way. What do you prefer? Do both methods? (I only ask because at some airlines, it's frowned to end up listing on a flight as both a non-rev and a jumpseater).
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