Spirit of NKS
04-05-2015 | 04:23 PM
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Open contracts are a liability, especially for a fast growing, stock market favorite, like our company.
We are an investor "darling", any uncertainty diminishes Spirit's market valuation.
This is key in negotiations.
We would be foolish to give away any of our advantages.
Time is on our side!
The MEC must get the message that we are willing to wait for the best possible outcome.
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04-06-2015 | 09:54 AM
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Follow up to the jumpseat thing, all 178 seats were full. The listing I made online Spirit's website as a OAL Jumpseat was still only showing as a non-rev. They made it clear that the flight was full. I mentioned being a CASS approved pilot, so the gate agent gave me a jumpseat form. I filled it out and got on (thank you to the crew).
For the future, if a flight is full, is it worth listing online? It just seems to make us a non-rev. If we jumpseat it seems like there is a paper form we have to fill out any way. What do you prefer? Do both methods? (I only ask because at some airlines, it's frowned to end up listing on a flight as both a non-rev and a jumpseater).
For the future, if a flight is full, is it worth listing online? It just seems to make us a non-rev. If we jumpseat it seems like there is a paper form we have to fill out any way. What do you prefer? Do both methods? (I only ask because at some airlines, it's frowned to end up listing on a flight as both a non-rev and a jumpseater).
DO list online for jumpseat, anytime the jumpseat is already listed for your listing will default to non-rev just because the system won't allow more bodies than seats, also I think you can check in online, this way it is easier for the gate agent to get your details. When you get to the gate DO ask for and fill out the JS form and have them CASS you, the pilots are "encouraged" to make sure every JS-er has the form regardless of cabin or cockpit seat assignment. We are encouraged to check to make sure we leave no-one behind, if you have an issue try to get our attention.
There is NO issue with being nonrev and JS at Spirit, it is the way it "works".
Let me know if this isn't correct!
04-06-2015 | 01:32 PM
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We could merge with anyone, frontier, allegiant, even alaska. Even a legacy carrier it don't matter. United and continental was a merger many didn't see coming as well as american and usair same as southwest and airtran. Southwest was suppose to buy frontier that didn't happen and they got bought by republic and then indigo anything can happen. The point is without protection we are sitting ducks like the airtran guys. One thing we can count on is we wont be buying anyone we are shedding and outsourcing our ground people. It makes a lot of sense for us to watch out for ourselves I think ALPA will do a decent job for us if it's any ALPA carrier, except maybe delta, but if it's American or southwest we are on our own. And protection doesn't cost the company a thing.
04-06-2015 | 01:37 PM
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This is the way I see it:
DO list online for jumpseat, anytime the jumpseat is already listed for your listing will default to non-rev just because the system won't allow more bodies than seats, also I think you can check in online, this way it is easier for the gate agent to get your details. When you get to the gate DO ask for and fill out the JS form and have them CASS you, the pilots are "encouraged" to make sure every JS-er has the form regardless of cabin or cockpit seat assignment. We are encouraged to check to make sure we leave no-one behind, if you have an issue try to get our attention.
There is NO issue with being nonrev and JS at Spirit, it is the way it "works".
Let me know if this isn't correct!
DO list online for jumpseat, anytime the jumpseat is already listed for your listing will default to non-rev just because the system won't allow more bodies than seats, also I think you can check in online, this way it is easier for the gate agent to get your details. When you get to the gate DO ask for and fill out the JS form and have them CASS you, the pilots are "encouraged" to make sure every JS-er has the form regardless of cabin or cockpit seat assignment. We are encouraged to check to make sure we leave no-one behind, if you have an issue try to get our attention.
There is NO issue with being nonrev and JS at Spirit, it is the way it "works".
Let me know if this isn't correct!
04-06-2015 | 01:40 PM
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Did you read the email? They told you why they are taking this approach, and honestly it seems to make sense. I understand that we are in a good position, but so is the company, there is no impetus on their end to sign something. As the email pointed out, every day after the amendable date that we don't have a contract is money taken from our pocket.... that's money the company keeps. So why do we need to drag this out for 7 years over every intricate detail when we have a pretty good base to start from, unless we want to be then next Republic airways.
Furthermore, we all have to vote on this at the end of the day, so if is a giant dog turd, well then guess what? We all get a say...
Furthermore, we all have to vote on this at the end of the day, so if is a giant dog turd, well then guess what? We all get a say...
04-06-2015 | 01:42 PM
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04-06-2015 | 02:47 PM
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04-06-2015 | 06:43 PM
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I'm not saying I believe every word they say, but that is correct that we can't merge with open contracts.
04-06-2015 | 07:18 PM
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04-07-2015 | 03:54 AM
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Point taken, but didnt Airways and American have to agree on the new pay scale before the merger? I know the rest of the contract came later. It just makes me wonder what the big push is to get it done faster, I'd rather have gains across the board than just an hourly gain, even if it takes longer.
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