Spirit of NKS
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The only chance for this to pass, is for folks who are really not affected to abstain from voting.
The ultra senior FLL CA crowd will be voting passionately on this!
The ultra senior FLL CA crowd will be voting passionately on this!
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Absolutely. They showed up in force at the last lec meeting with proxies too from all their friends that couldn't make it. The rest of the base chose not to participate. Sad.
Most of them are actually great guy to fly and hang with but they are quite passionate about this issue to claim ownership of something that isn't really theirs
Most of them are actually great guy to fly and hang with but they are quite passionate about this issue to claim ownership of something that isn't really theirs
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
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You have to remember that you are dealing with a group of guys trained to pick up lots of open time because we are paid 30% less than other airbus pilots. They then created lifestyles around that and when 150% wheat away they had to pick up even more open time. Also the out of base captains that life in FLL have commuting at stake so they stalk open time and are very very quick to grab anything that comes open so even the FLL captains that want to make simple swaps cannot because there is nothing left to trade with. This also creates more red days on the other bases so because guys that live in FLL are dropping their lines to pick up in FLL. This makes it harder for the guys that actually live in those other bases to drop or make swaps that move days later in the month.
Fixed it for you. Though you speak the truth about the motivation to do it and the consequences.
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You're putting words in my mouth but IMO they pick up tons of open time not because we're underpaid but because the previous contract conditioned them to. Honestly I don't care why they pick it up. Or that they do. Pick up as much as you want. Making money is not a crime. Claiming to own open time because you are based a certain place is
Btw many in our list are much more than 30% underpaid. A 3rd year fo needs a $54/hr increase or 69% just to gain pairity with American. A 3rd year captain needs an $85/hr increase or 67%. That's not including the 7% increase im 401k contribution and getting my 9% contribution back in my pocket
Also: SCOPE!!!!!
Btw many in our list are much more than 30% underpaid. A 3rd year fo needs a $54/hr increase or 69% just to gain pairity with American. A 3rd year captain needs an $85/hr increase or 67%. That's not including the 7% increase im 401k contribution and getting my 9% contribution back in my pocket
Also: SCOPE!!!!!
One more reason why we need to get our focus off of stupid resolutions like this one and concentrate on actually improving our contract. There should be NO bargaining priority assigned to this whatsoever, it is nothing more than a way to divert our attention. Focus people, quit focusing on this chump change stuff and let's concentrate on the bigger picture.
The FLL FOs need to wake up and get educated. Unless they defer for many years, they are not upgrading into FLL. They too will commute to ORD, DFW, LAS, MSP, IAH wherever. .and will want to pick up FLL trips.
It is not so much the picking up of open time out of base but the way two of them are doing it, especially the one.
Boost is Life
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: In the Garage
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I'll speak for myself. Both sides of the argument have merit. I am willing to have an intelligent, unbiased conversation about it and show that I really do understand both sides. I am a DFW CA and yes I try to pick up a trip every once in a while in FLL. That being said: I haven't succeeded once until June. Not once. There's never open time.
Am I in favor of it? I am in favor of whatever the FLL Pilots require of me. I will also lead when they may not understand a certain situation etc. I hope you guys will at least freely talk about it like you're doing here. We want to hear you. But you know what? Fill out the survey. But don't do it without knowing the facts.
The spirit of the resolution is to give in base pilots "a chance" at the trips befire out if base pilots get them. Then they can trade etc and thise junior in base pilots can live better. How can I deny that representation? Unless I want to be recalled, I have to represent what they brought to us and do whatever I can to fight for them and get them SOMETHING.
If there is a compromise to be had, I'll happily hear it. I believe a small window to allow in base pilots to bid, first come, first serve is fair. Everything you see would remain the same. Everyone can bid. But the out of base trades/etc would be handled in order after that short period. Shoot, even ten minutes would be fair IMO. But I'm open to discussion on it.
Remember: management is watching.
Am I in favor of it? I am in favor of whatever the FLL Pilots require of me. I will also lead when they may not understand a certain situation etc. I hope you guys will at least freely talk about it like you're doing here. We want to hear you. But you know what? Fill out the survey. But don't do it without knowing the facts.
The spirit of the resolution is to give in base pilots "a chance" at the trips befire out if base pilots get them. Then they can trade etc and thise junior in base pilots can live better. How can I deny that representation? Unless I want to be recalled, I have to represent what they brought to us and do whatever I can to fight for them and get them SOMETHING.
If there is a compromise to be had, I'll happily hear it. I believe a small window to allow in base pilots to bid, first come, first serve is fair. Everything you see would remain the same. Everyone can bid. But the out of base trades/etc would be handled in order after that short period. Shoot, even ten minutes would be fair IMO. But I'm open to discussion on it.
Remember: management is watching.
I'll speak for myself. Both sides of the argument have merit. I am willing to have an intelligent, unbiased conversation about it and show that I really do understand both sides. I am a DFW CA and yes I try to pick up a trip every once in a while in FLL. That being said: I haven't succeeded once until June. Not once. There's never open time.
Am I in favor of it? I am in favor of whatever the FLL Pilots require of me. I will also lead when they may not understand a certain situation etc. I hope you guys will at least freely talk about it like you're doing here. We want to hear you. But you know what? Fill out the survey. But don't do it without knowing the facts.
The spirit of the resolution is to give in base pilots "a chance" at the trips befire out if base pilots get them. Then they can trade etc and thise junior in base pilots can live better. How can I deny that representation? Unless I want to be recalled, I have to represent what they brought to us and do whatever I can to fight for them and get them SOMETHING.
If there is a compromise to be had, I'll happily hear it. I believe a small window to allow in base pilots to bid, first come, first serve is fair. Everything you see would remain the same. Everyone can bid. But the out of base trades/etc would be handled in order after that short period. Shoot, even ten minutes would be fair IMO. But I'm open to discussion on it.
Remember: management is watching.
Am I in favor of it? I am in favor of whatever the FLL Pilots require of me. I will also lead when they may not understand a certain situation etc. I hope you guys will at least freely talk about it like you're doing here. We want to hear you. But you know what? Fill out the survey. But don't do it without knowing the facts.
The spirit of the resolution is to give in base pilots "a chance" at the trips befire out if base pilots get them. Then they can trade etc and thise junior in base pilots can live better. How can I deny that representation? Unless I want to be recalled, I have to represent what they brought to us and do whatever I can to fight for them and get them SOMETHING.
If there is a compromise to be had, I'll happily hear it. I believe a small window to allow in base pilots to bid, first come, first serve is fair. Everything you see would remain the same. Everyone can bid. But the out of base trades/etc would be handled in order after that short period. Shoot, even ten minutes would be fair IMO. But I'm open to discussion on it.
Remember: management is watching.
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