Spirit of NKS
04-16-2015, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
I thought I heard somewhere that there would be no changes to the nc comm or with the current track
04-16-2015, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemonade
Matyas was threatened by Rusing. He would have upstaged him. They have pushed away any talent that stepped up so as to keep the club house locked down.
That regime also packed the training dept. with their cronies in case any 'special' strong arming was required. Anyone want to be an instructor? I hear there will be some openings soon.
That regime also packed the training dept. with their cronies in case any 'special' strong arming was required. Anyone want to be an instructor? I hear there will be some openings soon.
Wow dude, how much power do you think they wield?
04-16-2015, 06:06 PM
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Yeah, as per the ALPA Constitution, the MEC Chair is, by default, a member of the negotiating committee. I feel that having negotiators from differing camps is a good thing. It'll help the committee and the MEC get a look at more sides of whatever issues come up.
04-16-2015, 06:11 PM
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For reference, ALPA Constitution and By-Laws, Section 12.A(6), which actually calls him an "ex officio" member of the negotiating committee.
04-16-2015, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Stoutbrewer
...Of course he reached out. He needs to make contact with the new leadership, and he's not a dummy so he's going to make him feel like a big man, like he's special. See if he can use his easy going manner and some flattery to help him get what he needs and the rest of you just sent in a brand new guy to talk to management. ALL BY HIMSELF...
On another note, the recent LEC 77 communication states specifically that the MEC voted 6-0 on a particular resolution, and yet Amongero refused to act on it. Among other things, given that one of his prime responsibilities is to carryout the policies of the MEC (his feelings aside), I would call that a dereliction of duty. Again, for reference, see ALPA Constitution and By-Laws Section 12.A(2): [The MEC Chairman is] Charged with, and responsible for, administering the policies of his Master Executive Council.
04-16-2015, 06:43 PM
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This is a narrative of what happened at the recent Spirit MEC meeting that resulted in the recall of Chris Amongero and Paul Hopkins:
The recall was not on the advance agenda however there was another agenda item that had a great deal of significance. That item was a confidentiality agreement for the MEC members to sign, a little more about that later.
The meeting was started and shortly after the start, a new agenda item was added which was the recall of Chris and Paul. Of the six voting members on the MEC only Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon opposed it. Obviously they were outvoted by the status representatives from Councils 77 and 109 so the item was added. At this point it is very important to read the first few words of the Fast Read announcing the recall “After much consideration”.
Ackerman and Leonard made several comments about wanting to be more transparent with the Spirit pilots and when ask later in the meeting why they were recalling two of the highest MEC positions, they only responded with we want to go another direction with no specifics given.
So now the recall is on the floor and the MEC decides to go into closed session. The Committee members present as well as the attending pilots left the room. Within 20 minutes of the closed session beginning, both Paul and Chris exited the meeting room because they had been recalled. The Council 77 and 109 representatives voted in favor of the recall while the Council 18 representatives voted against it.
Here is the strange thing, prior to any vote there is a discussion. When Todd Hirshon attempted to talk about the issue he was basically told to be quiet because the Council 77 and 109 representatives had already decided to recall both of them. How is that for objectivity???
There had been a number of rumors about one of the status representatives recording phone conversations with the members he talked to. In addition there was another rumor that Ackerman had turned pilots over to Spirit HR and the Chief Pilot’s Office, for disciplinary action, regarding disagreements those pilots had with the newly elected status representatives of Council 77 and/or 109 which were recorded. Here is a portion of Ackerman’s email:
“I am deeply troubled to learn that at least two-me included-of our status reps have been intimidated and threatened by pilots on issues from everything including recall of officers, social media, and the council 109 resolution. This is illegal, immoral and this nonsense stops right now. I have reached out to Spirit HR, the chief pilot’s office and ALPA Legal. This behavior is unconscionable.” He also writes”Pilots that want to engage in a smear campaign-threaten-intimidate–and other illegal actions put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.” He further writes “I’m doing my part and willing to address anyone or anything that stands in my way of doing the very best thing-short and long term- for the Spirit Pilot”.
When Ackerman and Leonard were asked directly what were the treats, they both responded with something along the line of I don’t remember.
Having shown you that, we turn to the open session of the MEC meeting, which included questions from the pilots attending: Jason Leonard was asked if he recorded phone calls from Spirit Pilots his response was yes. He was then asked if those recordings were shared with anyone else, his response was no. He was then asked if he still had the phone recordings and his answer was no, he had deleted them. He was then asked if he remembered a phone conversation with a specific member and he answered yes. It is unconscionable that an elected status rep would secretly record phone conversations with other members, this not only unconscionable but illegal in the state of Florida. Would you like to be represented at a Disciplinary Meeting with the Company by this guy???
Now we turn to the questions directed to James Ackerman: He was asked if he had recently turned in member/s into the Chief Pilot’s office, he responded yes. Everyone in my immediate vicinity gasp in disbelief. This man just admitted he turned one, or more, of our members into Spirit Management which could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.”
In the Fast Read sent out 4/15/2015 it stated “The new MEC Chairman, James Ackerman, comes with extensive ALPA experience. He has worked in the role of MEC chairman, Negotiating Committee and as a shop steward on a Teamsters property.” With all of this wealth of experience why did he turn the pilot/s over to the Company instead of our own Professional Standards Committee????
This is clearly an Article 8 (expulsion from ALPA) event. James Ackerman is a status rep for Council 77, anyone want him to represent them knowing he may divulge information shared with him assuming it was confidential???
Now, let’s go back to the Confidentiality agreement that was on the agenda. I won’t mention any names but Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd had suspected there was someone on the MEC that has close ties to the Chief Pilot’s Office. This suspicion stemmed from information the Company knew that had only been talked about in the MEC meetings. It was very apparent to Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon there was a company mole on the MEC. This was the reason for the confidentiality agreement…..to attempt to silence the mole.
After the recall of Chris and Paul, Todd Hirshon, who authored the agenda item, decided to withdraw it so the events could be transparent to the Spirit Pilots.
I believe our current MEC is compromised by the Council 77 and 109 representatives and cannot be trusted.
On the other side, Chris Amongero stepped up to replace Sean Creed as MEC Chairman and immediately engaged Spirit’s Management. He has given his energy, personal time and talents to defend our contract and keep Spirit’s Management from rolling over us.
Paul Hopkins was the Strategic Planning Coordinator before, during and after our strike of almost 5 years ago. His father was the author of “Flying the Line” (vol. 1 & 2). Because of our successful strike Paul was loaned to the ALPA National Strategic Planning Committee.
Sean Creed led our pilots and the MEC in our most desperate times leading up to the strike. He was able to guide the LEC members and manage all of the other committees not directly connected to the strike preparedness. Sean and Andy Nelson oversaw the Negotiating Committee and let them develop the strategies that gave us our quality of life issue in our current CBA.
So there you have it, we now have an MEC Chairman who turned over pilots to spirit management that could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood”, and he apparently was the principle in orchestrating the covert recall of Chris and Paul. We have another status representative who records phone conversations with our members. Then we have one of the status representatives who apparently leaks MEC business to Spirit Management.
It would appear we have a real mess on our hands at the MEC level…..what are you going to do about it???
The recall was not on the advance agenda however there was another agenda item that had a great deal of significance. That item was a confidentiality agreement for the MEC members to sign, a little more about that later.
The meeting was started and shortly after the start, a new agenda item was added which was the recall of Chris and Paul. Of the six voting members on the MEC only Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon opposed it. Obviously they were outvoted by the status representatives from Councils 77 and 109 so the item was added. At this point it is very important to read the first few words of the Fast Read announcing the recall “After much consideration”.
Ackerman and Leonard made several comments about wanting to be more transparent with the Spirit pilots and when ask later in the meeting why they were recalling two of the highest MEC positions, they only responded with we want to go another direction with no specifics given.
So now the recall is on the floor and the MEC decides to go into closed session. The Committee members present as well as the attending pilots left the room. Within 20 minutes of the closed session beginning, both Paul and Chris exited the meeting room because they had been recalled. The Council 77 and 109 representatives voted in favor of the recall while the Council 18 representatives voted against it.
Here is the strange thing, prior to any vote there is a discussion. When Todd Hirshon attempted to talk about the issue he was basically told to be quiet because the Council 77 and 109 representatives had already decided to recall both of them. How is that for objectivity???
There had been a number of rumors about one of the status representatives recording phone conversations with the members he talked to. In addition there was another rumor that Ackerman had turned pilots over to Spirit HR and the Chief Pilot’s Office, for disciplinary action, regarding disagreements those pilots had with the newly elected status representatives of Council 77 and/or 109 which were recorded. Here is a portion of Ackerman’s email:
“I am deeply troubled to learn that at least two-me included-of our status reps have been intimidated and threatened by pilots on issues from everything including recall of officers, social media, and the council 109 resolution. This is illegal, immoral and this nonsense stops right now. I have reached out to Spirit HR, the chief pilot’s office and ALPA Legal. This behavior is unconscionable.” He also writes”Pilots that want to engage in a smear campaign-threaten-intimidate–and other illegal actions put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.” He further writes “I’m doing my part and willing to address anyone or anything that stands in my way of doing the very best thing-short and long term- for the Spirit Pilot”.
When Ackerman and Leonard were asked directly what were the treats, they both responded with something along the line of I don’t remember.
Having shown you that, we turn to the open session of the MEC meeting, which included questions from the pilots attending: Jason Leonard was asked if he recorded phone calls from Spirit Pilots his response was yes. He was then asked if those recordings were shared with anyone else, his response was no. He was then asked if he still had the phone recordings and his answer was no, he had deleted them. He was then asked if he remembered a phone conversation with a specific member and he answered yes. It is unconscionable that an elected status rep would secretly record phone conversations with other members, this not only unconscionable but illegal in the state of Florida. Would you like to be represented at a Disciplinary Meeting with the Company by this guy???
Now we turn to the questions directed to James Ackerman: He was asked if he had recently turned in member/s into the Chief Pilot’s office, he responded yes. Everyone in my immediate vicinity gasp in disbelief. This man just admitted he turned one, or more, of our members into Spirit Management which could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.”
In the Fast Read sent out 4/15/2015 it stated “The new MEC Chairman, James Ackerman, comes with extensive ALPA experience. He has worked in the role of MEC chairman, Negotiating Committee and as a shop steward on a Teamsters property.” With all of this wealth of experience why did he turn the pilot/s over to the Company instead of our own Professional Standards Committee????
This is clearly an Article 8 (expulsion from ALPA) event. James Ackerman is a status rep for Council 77, anyone want him to represent them knowing he may divulge information shared with him assuming it was confidential???
Now, let’s go back to the Confidentiality agreement that was on the agenda. I won’t mention any names but Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd had suspected there was someone on the MEC that has close ties to the Chief Pilot’s Office. This suspicion stemmed from information the Company knew that had only been talked about in the MEC meetings. It was very apparent to Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon there was a company mole on the MEC. This was the reason for the confidentiality agreement…..to attempt to silence the mole.
After the recall of Chris and Paul, Todd Hirshon, who authored the agenda item, decided to withdraw it so the events could be transparent to the Spirit Pilots.
I believe our current MEC is compromised by the Council 77 and 109 representatives and cannot be trusted.
On the other side, Chris Amongero stepped up to replace Sean Creed as MEC Chairman and immediately engaged Spirit’s Management. He has given his energy, personal time and talents to defend our contract and keep Spirit’s Management from rolling over us.
Paul Hopkins was the Strategic Planning Coordinator before, during and after our strike of almost 5 years ago. His father was the author of “Flying the Line” (vol. 1 & 2). Because of our successful strike Paul was loaned to the ALPA National Strategic Planning Committee.
Sean Creed led our pilots and the MEC in our most desperate times leading up to the strike. He was able to guide the LEC members and manage all of the other committees not directly connected to the strike preparedness. Sean and Andy Nelson oversaw the Negotiating Committee and let them develop the strategies that gave us our quality of life issue in our current CBA.
So there you have it, we now have an MEC Chairman who turned over pilots to spirit management that could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood”, and he apparently was the principle in orchestrating the covert recall of Chris and Paul. We have another status representative who records phone conversations with our members. Then we have one of the status representatives who apparently leaks MEC business to Spirit Management.
It would appear we have a real mess on our hands at the MEC level…..what are you going to do about it???
04-16-2015, 06:59 PM
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Posts: 307
Closed session details on a public message board? Where's the mole?
04-16-2015, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayinformed
This is a narrative of what happened at the recent Spirit MEC meeting that resulted in the recall of Chris Amongero and Paul Hopkins:
The recall was not on the advance agenda however there was another agenda item that had a great deal of significance. That item was a confidentiality agreement for the MEC members to sign, a little more about that later.
The meeting was started and shortly after the start, a new agenda item was added which was the recall of Chris and Paul. Of the six voting members on the MEC only Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon opposed it. Obviously they were outvoted by the status representatives from Councils 77 and 109 so the item was added. At this point it is very important to read the first few words of the Fast Read announcing the recall “After much consideration”.
Ackerman and Leonard made several comments about wanting to be more transparent with the Spirit pilots and when ask later in the meeting why they were recalling two of the highest MEC positions, they only responded with we want to go another direction with no specifics given.
So now the recall is on the floor and the MEC decides to go into closed session. The Committee members present as well as the attending pilots left the room. Within 20 minutes of the closed session beginning, both Paul and Chris exited the meeting room because they had been recalled. The Council 77 and 109 representatives voted in favor of the recall while the Council 18 representatives voted against it.
Here is the strange thing, prior to any vote there is a discussion. When Todd Hirshon attempted to talk about the issue he was basically told to be quiet because the Council 77 and 109 representatives had already decided to recall both of them. How is that for objectivity???
There had been a number of rumors about one of the status representatives recording phone conversations with the members he talked to. In addition there was another rumor that Ackerman had turned pilots over to Spirit HR and the Chief Pilot’s Office, for disciplinary action, regarding disagreements those pilots had with the newly elected status representatives of Council 77 and/or 109 which were recorded. Here is a portion of Ackerman’s email:
“I am deeply troubled to learn that at least two-me included-of our status reps have been intimidated and threatened by pilots on issues from everything including recall of officers, social media, and the council 109 resolution. This is illegal, immoral and this nonsense stops right now. I have reached out to Spirit HR, the chief pilot’s office and ALPA Legal. This behavior is unconscionable.” He also writes”Pilots that want to engage in a smear campaign-threaten-intimidate–and other illegal actions put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.” He further writes “I’m doing my part and willing to address anyone or anything that stands in my way of doing the very best thing-short and long term- for the Spirit Pilot”.
When Ackerman and Leonard were asked directly what were the treats, they both responded with something along the line of I don’t remember.
Having shown you that, we turn to the open session of the MEC meeting, which included questions from the pilots attending: Jason Leonard was asked if he recorded phone calls from Spirit Pilots his response was yes. He was then asked if those recordings were shared with anyone else, his response was no. He was then asked if he still had the phone recordings and his answer was no, he had deleted them. He was then asked if he remembered a phone conversation with a specific member and he answered yes. It is unconscionable that an elected status rep would secretly record phone conversations with other members, this not only unconscionable but illegal in the state of Florida. Would you like to be represented at a Disciplinary Meeting with the Company by this guy???
Now we turn to the questions directed to James Ackerman: He was asked if he had recently turned in member/s into the Chief Pilot’s office, he responded yes. Everyone in my immediate vicinity gasp in disbelief. This man just admitted he turned one, or more, of our members into Spirit Management which could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.”
In the Fast Read sent out 4/15/2015 it stated “The new MEC Chairman, James Ackerman, comes with extensive ALPA experience. He has worked in the role of MEC chairman, Negotiating Committee and as a shop steward on a Teamsters property.” With all of this wealth of experience why did he turn the pilot/s over to the Company instead of our own Professional Standards Committee????
This is clearly an Article 8 (expulsion from ALPA) event. James Ackerman is a status rep for Council 77, anyone want him to represent them knowing he may divulge information shared with him assuming it was confidential???
Now, let’s go back to the Confidentiality agreement that was on the agenda. I won’t mention any names but Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd had suspected there was someone on the MEC that has close ties to the Chief Pilot’s Office. This suspicion stemmed from information the Company knew that had only been talked about in the MEC meetings. It was very apparent to Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon there was a company mole on the MEC. This was the reason for the confidentiality agreement…..to attempt to silence the mole.
After the recall of Chris and Paul, Todd Hirshon, who authored the agenda item, decided to withdraw it so the events could be transparent to the Spirit Pilots.
I believe our current MEC is compromised by the Council 77 and 109 representatives and cannot be trusted.
On the other side, Chris Amongero stepped up to replace Sean Creed as MEC Chairman and immediately engaged Spirit’s Management. He has given his energy, personal time and talents to defend our contract and keep Spirit’s Management from rolling over us.
Paul Hopkins was the Strategic Planning Coordinator before, during and after our strike of almost 5 years ago. His father was the author of “Flying the Line” (vol. 1 & 2). Because of our successful strike Paul was loaned to the ALPA National Strategic Planning Committee.
Sean Creed led our pilots and the MEC in our most desperate times leading up to the strike. He was able to guide the LEC members and manage all of the other committees not directly connected to the strike preparedness. Sean and Andy Nelson oversaw the Negotiating Committee and let them develop the strategies that gave us our quality of life issue in our current CBA.
So there you have it, we now have an MEC Chairman who turned over pilots to spirit management that could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood”, and he apparently was the principle in orchestrating the covert recall of Chris and Paul. We have another status representative who records phone conversations with our members. Then we have one of the status representatives who apparently leaks MEC business to Spirit Management.
It would appear we have a real mess on our hands at the MEC level…..what are you going to do about it???
The recall was not on the advance agenda however there was another agenda item that had a great deal of significance. That item was a confidentiality agreement for the MEC members to sign, a little more about that later.
The meeting was started and shortly after the start, a new agenda item was added which was the recall of Chris and Paul. Of the six voting members on the MEC only Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon opposed it. Obviously they were outvoted by the status representatives from Councils 77 and 109 so the item was added. At this point it is very important to read the first few words of the Fast Read announcing the recall “After much consideration”.
Ackerman and Leonard made several comments about wanting to be more transparent with the Spirit pilots and when ask later in the meeting why they were recalling two of the highest MEC positions, they only responded with we want to go another direction with no specifics given.
So now the recall is on the floor and the MEC decides to go into closed session. The Committee members present as well as the attending pilots left the room. Within 20 minutes of the closed session beginning, both Paul and Chris exited the meeting room because they had been recalled. The Council 77 and 109 representatives voted in favor of the recall while the Council 18 representatives voted against it.
Here is the strange thing, prior to any vote there is a discussion. When Todd Hirshon attempted to talk about the issue he was basically told to be quiet because the Council 77 and 109 representatives had already decided to recall both of them. How is that for objectivity???
There had been a number of rumors about one of the status representatives recording phone conversations with the members he talked to. In addition there was another rumor that Ackerman had turned pilots over to Spirit HR and the Chief Pilot’s Office, for disciplinary action, regarding disagreements those pilots had with the newly elected status representatives of Council 77 and/or 109 which were recorded. Here is a portion of Ackerman’s email:
“I am deeply troubled to learn that at least two-me included-of our status reps have been intimidated and threatened by pilots on issues from everything including recall of officers, social media, and the council 109 resolution. This is illegal, immoral and this nonsense stops right now. I have reached out to Spirit HR, the chief pilot’s office and ALPA Legal. This behavior is unconscionable.” He also writes”Pilots that want to engage in a smear campaign-threaten-intimidate–and other illegal actions put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.” He further writes “I’m doing my part and willing to address anyone or anything that stands in my way of doing the very best thing-short and long term- for the Spirit Pilot”.
When Ackerman and Leonard were asked directly what were the treats, they both responded with something along the line of I don’t remember.
Having shown you that, we turn to the open session of the MEC meeting, which included questions from the pilots attending: Jason Leonard was asked if he recorded phone calls from Spirit Pilots his response was yes. He was then asked if those recordings were shared with anyone else, his response was no. He was then asked if he still had the phone recordings and his answer was no, he had deleted them. He was then asked if he remembered a phone conversation with a specific member and he answered yes. It is unconscionable that an elected status rep would secretly record phone conversations with other members, this not only unconscionable but illegal in the state of Florida. Would you like to be represented at a Disciplinary Meeting with the Company by this guy???
Now we turn to the questions directed to James Ackerman: He was asked if he had recently turned in member/s into the Chief Pilot’s office, he responded yes. Everyone in my immediate vicinity gasp in disbelief. This man just admitted he turned one, or more, of our members into Spirit Management which could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.”
In the Fast Read sent out 4/15/2015 it stated “The new MEC Chairman, James Ackerman, comes with extensive ALPA experience. He has worked in the role of MEC chairman, Negotiating Committee and as a shop steward on a Teamsters property.” With all of this wealth of experience why did he turn the pilot/s over to the Company instead of our own Professional Standards Committee????
This is clearly an Article 8 (expulsion from ALPA) event. James Ackerman is a status rep for Council 77, anyone want him to represent them knowing he may divulge information shared with him assuming it was confidential???
Now, let’s go back to the Confidentiality agreement that was on the agenda. I won’t mention any names but Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd had suspected there was someone on the MEC that has close ties to the Chief Pilot’s Office. This suspicion stemmed from information the Company knew that had only been talked about in the MEC meetings. It was very apparent to Chris, Paul Hopkins, Sean Creed, Paul Degrenier and Todd Hirshon there was a company mole on the MEC. This was the reason for the confidentiality agreement…..to attempt to silence the mole.
After the recall of Chris and Paul, Todd Hirshon, who authored the agenda item, decided to withdraw it so the events could be transparent to the Spirit Pilots.
I believe our current MEC is compromised by the Council 77 and 109 representatives and cannot be trusted.
On the other side, Chris Amongero stepped up to replace Sean Creed as MEC Chairman and immediately engaged Spirit’s Management. He has given his energy, personal time and talents to defend our contract and keep Spirit’s Management from rolling over us.
Paul Hopkins was the Strategic Planning Coordinator before, during and after our strike of almost 5 years ago. His father was the author of “Flying the Line” (vol. 1 & 2). Because of our successful strike Paul was loaned to the ALPA National Strategic Planning Committee.
Sean Creed led our pilots and the MEC in our most desperate times leading up to the strike. He was able to guide the LEC members and manage all of the other committees not directly connected to the strike preparedness. Sean and Andy Nelson oversaw the Negotiating Committee and let them develop the strategies that gave us our quality of life issue in our current CBA.
So there you have it, we now have an MEC Chairman who turned over pilots to spirit management that could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood”, and he apparently was the principle in orchestrating the covert recall of Chris and Paul. We have another status representative who records phone conversations with our members. Then we have one of the status representatives who apparently leaks MEC business to Spirit Management.
It would appear we have a real mess on our hands at the MEC level…..what are you going to do about it???
04-16-2015, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemonade
Amongero, Hopkins, Matyas and Slotten have been off the reservation for some time now. This so called ' focused negotiation' concept shows they have truly lost it.
The NC will be replaced and we will get the best contract in the history of this airline. Just don't expect it by August. that's just silly.
Did they give back their laptop and phone yet? Just askin'
The NC will be replaced and we will get the best contract in the history of this airline. Just don't expect it by August. that's just silly.
Did they give back their laptop and phone yet? Just askin'
As for Jason. If truly only represents the 26%ers then he needs to go too. I don't think Tim is that way but some of Jason's comments suggest he does. I fly with 26%ers all the time and while they are mostly good people they are off their rockers with their priorities. They just want to be available to the company for constant over time and jrm. They they don't care if we get paid shiit because they'll work right up to the FARs to compensate.
04-16-2015, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by chairmanmow
For the record, JA has many years of ALPA service prior to his arrival at Spirit. The idea that a new person should not be in a leadership position just because of his lack of experience in that position at that particular property undermines a core principle of democratic governance.
Having said that, it's incumbent on newcomers to work within our union and be effective, not try to remake our union in the image of a former carrier. Our union is functional and has been getting better with every new group and every passing day. The direction change should have been a control input, not a control movement.
[/QUOTE]On another note, the recent LEC 77 communication states specifically that the MEC voted 6-0 on a particular resolution, and yet Amongero refused to act on it. Among other things, given that one of his prime responsibilities is to carryout the policies of the MEC (his feelings aside), I would call that a dereliction of duty.[/QUOTE]
Again, at their very first MEC meeting it was incumbent on them to sit across the table from the MEC and achieve consensus or give fair warning that the end is near. Arguments and threats should have been won or lost on the strength of their convictions. If C and P failed to comply then they could have easily been recalled at MEC meeting number 2. The conference calls they conduct weekly are a place for information to flow between all the officers and some general business, but they don't count when it comes to issues of this magnitude, and they weren't attended by all the reps consistently. Sometimes you just can't replace sitting across the table from folks getting your crazy out in the open. People don't have to be in the same tribe to achieve consensus, but we're better off when they do. Doesn't matter now, that part is done.
Lastly, no matter his experience, it is never a good idea from a human nature standpoint, or one of accountability, to be cut off from the herd. The entire MEC should have attended him, introducing him to Bendo, presenting a unified front even if things were rocky among the 6 of them. The charismatic leader I referenced above was famous for spending too much time with our managers who were definitely not on our side. It doesn't matter that there's no malfeasance, nobody at this airline has ever believed/trusted one of our leaders with the exception of Trimble or Sytsema from the way way back
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