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Had the FAA on the jumpseat the other day and he said the whole F/A in the engine pic was a non-event and they didn't understand all the attention it got.
And please don't come to work here. If this little incident was too much for "your high holiness" then there's no way you'd be able to handle all the rest that comes with being part of the Spirit team. It's not for everyone and please don't come waste our time and money to just get a 320 type and wait for your next big opportunity. For many of us, this is a choice to work here and our last "rodeo" in this business. Many of us "re-treads" have a strong vested interested in seeing this work and want to retain an atmosphere on the flight deck of people who believe in the product, mission and future of Spirit Airlines.
Had the FAA on the jumpseat the other day and he said the whole F/A in the engine pic was a non-event and they didn't understand all the attention it got.
And please don't come to work here. If this little incident was too much for "your high holiness" then there's no way you'd be able to handle all the rest that comes with being part of the Spirit team. It's not for everyone and please don't come waste our time and money to just get a 320 type and wait for your next big opportunity. For many of us, this is a choice to work here and our last "rodeo" in this business. Many of us "re-treads" have a strong vested interested in seeing this work and want to retain an atmosphere on the flight deck of people who believe in the product, mission and future of Spirit Airlines.
And please don't come to work here. If this little incident was too much for "your high holiness" then there's no way you'd be able to handle all the rest that comes with being part of the Spirit team. It's not for everyone and please don't come waste our time and money to just get a 320 type and wait for your next big opportunity. For many of us, this is a choice to work here and our last "rodeo" in this business. Many of us "re-treads" have a strong vested interested in seeing this work and want to retain an atmosphere on the flight deck of people who believe in the product, mission and future of Spirit Airlines.
The issues of the current management is that they view everything in dollars. Every issue has a budget and often they are just using last years budget to allocate funds to an airline that is expanding rapidly, not adding enough for the new size needed. The same is true for the negotiations. They have a "budget" for pilots and are in a mindset of just handing over a check to the union and saying here is your number for the pilot group, you figure out how you want to split it amongst the pilots. Not much of a negotiation.
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I just filled out the survey and I like that it went into the detail of things I think are important. I have begun to adjust my mindset about this being some quick contract that gets inked by fall. I think if we want a nice little 10 percent raise and give away our 4 days off with transition conflict then we'll probably have a contract very soon. However I am willing to wait and strike if need be to achieve what we all know we deserve. Lets all forget the quick instant gratification contract thing and plan on getting the contract we deserve. I have confidence in our ALPA team but they will only bargain for what we are willing to achieve. Im content to ride this out and get the numbers we deserve. Thats my rant. Carry on. PS I like Bendo but I would have fell out of my chair if he said anything about 2 percent unless he was talking about milk for my cereal.
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If we do go full term to a strike or almost a strike I'm expecting every section to be renegotiated and I'm going to want everything. If it goes that way we have to get the absolute most we can while the getting is good.
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OK. I have met Matayas and Slotten both, they certainly didn't strike me as losers. In fact, quite the opposite. I get it that a lot of people don't think to highly of the contract, but if you think it is a result of negotiators run wild pursuing personal agendas, that's not the way it works. To call them losers because you have issues with the final product is way over the top.
As for Morrison, he was on the negotiating committee for a time but was not part of the group that negotiated the DHL CBA of 2008, where it was agreed that ALPA would abandon its scope litigation against DPWN. I know this to be true. I was there. What GeauxPro said was patently false.
Sorry for employing cliches, by the way. I guess you're more comfortable with malicious misrepresentations of peoples' character?
As for Morrison, he was on the negotiating committee for a time but was not part of the group that negotiated the DHL CBA of 2008, where it was agreed that ALPA would abandon its scope litigation against DPWN. I know this to be true. I was there. What GeauxPro said was patently false.
Sorry for employing cliches, by the way. I guess you're more comfortable with malicious misrepresentations of peoples' character?
I've worked under their "If you don't vote for it, we're in no mans land and also we'll quit" contract for five years. Whether they are personally losers or not is not material. They are losers as far as their ability to negotiate and write blackandwhite language.
Morrison, you mentioned him by name, not me. Morrison was part of the DL LOA that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's enough for me.
It's all matter of degree my friend, all a matter of degree.
Oh, one more thing. The DTW crowd was whining about the lack of Spirit longevity our new MEC Chairman possesses, but you guys are perfectly happy with the Morrison. Morrison has just marginally more Spirit longevity than the MEC Chairman. Hypocrites abound.
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Can't dislike someone that's never done anything to hurt me personally. That could change very quickly come this fall. And if I disliked everyone for people they've screwed over in the past, it would compromise my zen-like being. Doesn't mean I trust him at all when it comes to giving is what we deserve. Irellevant anyway. Negotiations are all business and not about likes or dislikes
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As far as management is concerned, not sure what your issue is with them either, they did the responsible thing and investigated, the FA in question is still employed and they are looking into setting up photo ops in a controlled manner for other FAs who'd like their picture taken doing what they love.
I can assure you, and I'm sure others would agree, there are plenty of outfits that would've fired her first and then asked questions.
And, if Spirit isn't for you, I'm sure it's not for everyone just politely decline an interview if called, but if I can offer some unasked for advice, never, ever burn bridges. You never know what the future may hold.
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I just filled out the survey and I like that it went into the detail of things I think are important. I have begun to adjust my mindset about this being some quick contract that gets inked by fall. I think if we want a nice little 10 percent raise and give away our 4 days off with transition conflict then we'll probably have a contract very soon. However I am willing to wait and strike if need be to achieve what we all know we deserve. Lets all forget the quick instant gratification contract thing and plan on getting the contract we deserve. I have confidence in our ALPA team but they will only bargain for what we are willing to achieve. Im content to ride this out and get the numbers we deserve. Thats my rant. Carry on. PS I like Bendo but I would have fell out of my chair if he said anything about 2 percent unless he was talking about milk for my cereal.
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