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Old 08-09-2015 | 05:42 PM
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Totally Agree. That is exactly why we should not accept anything less than what our peers make flying the same aircraft and doing the same job. Parity or industry standard from day one!
Except we don't fly through hail that totals two planes in two months. There's $100 million right there. Maybe we should ask for more. That $46 million difference seems small huh?

Sorry Delta guys, that wasn't really a knock on you. I'm hearing your older radars are a bit of a problem.
Old 08-09-2015 | 06:23 PM
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Also, don't forget our 321s will be coming on line with 228 seats!
Old 08-09-2015 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Also, don't forget our 321s will be coming on line with 228 seats!
Holy smokes. Enjoy Fl280!
Old 08-09-2015 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Also, don't forget our 321s will be coming on line with 228 seats!
Are you part of the school house team?
Old 08-09-2015 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
Except we don't fly through hail that totals two planes in two months. There's $100 million right there. Maybe we should ask for more. That $46 million difference seems small huh?

Sorry Delta guys, that wasn't really a knock on you. I'm hearing your older radars are a bit of a problem.
Not trying to knock the Delta guys; but how many times do we deviate around Thunderstorms and hear ATC ask Delta if they are going to Deviate and they say they are above the storm. Many times I see the position and say well they will be in the tops not above it. I guess this time playing in the tops of a Thunderstorm had negative consequences.

The ironic part is that we get lined checked by the feds all the time. Maybe Delta needs a closer look at how they operate.
Old 08-09-2015 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
Not trying to knock the Delta guys; but how many times do we deviate around Thunderstorms and hear ATC ask Delta if they are going to Deviate and they say they are above the storm. Many times I see the position and say well they will be in the tops not above it. I guess this time playing in the tops of a Thunderstorm had negative consequences.

The ironic part is that we get lined checked by the feds all the time. Maybe Delta needs a closer look at how they operate.
Read that ops bulletin we have and COM 2, supplemental on how to operate it. Its tail number specific now. Maybe that's why we've avoided it so far.
Old 08-09-2015 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
Read that ops bulletin we have and COM 2, supplemental on how to operate it. Its tail number specific now. Maybe that's why we've avoided it so far.
I don't know which version the Delta Airbus (Northwest) radars are installed, but remember this: At high altitude, a cell may have ice particles. Reflection of ice particles is weak. An incorrect tilt may lead to only scanning the upper (less reflective) part of a cell. As a consequence, a cell may not be detected or may be underestimated.

Also, Hail is very common under the downwind overhang of a strong thunderstorm - even in clear air. This precipitation which is obviously frozen, is often not detected by even the most modern radars, including ours.
Old 08-10-2015 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
I don't know which version the Delta Airbus (Northwest) radars are installed, but remember this: At high altitude, a cell may have ice particles. Reflection of ice particles is weak. An incorrect tilt may lead to only scanning the upper (less reflective) part of a cell. As a consequence, a cell may not be detected or may be underestimated.

Also, Hail is very common under the downwind overhang of a strong thunderstorm - even in clear air. This precipitation which is obviously frozen, is often not detected by even the most modern radars, including ours.
I'm sorry put that cell was pink. Even the a ****ty radar could have seen that 60 miles away
Old 08-10-2015 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
I don't know which version the Delta Airbus (Northwest) radars are installed, but remember this: At high altitude, a cell may have ice particles. Reflection of ice particles is weak. An incorrect tilt may lead to only scanning the upper (less reflective) part of a cell. As a consequence, a cell may not be detected or may be underestimated.

Also, Hail is very common under the downwind overhang of a strong thunderstorm - even in clear air. This precipitation which is obviously frozen, is often not detected by even the most modern radars, including ours.
Thank you Martha King.
Old 08-10-2015 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223

Also, Hail is very common under the downwind overhang of a strong thunderstorm - even in clear air. This precipitation which is obviously frozen, is often not detected by even the most modern radars, including ours.
This is why the AIM recommends 20 miles away from cells (40 miles between).
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