Spirit of NKS
09-16-2014, 12:25 PM
#8151
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320's
Posts: 169
I'm going to drink the kool-aid and get embrace it! I've got no shame flying these things, and until proven otherwise the marking seems to be doing the trick. They say "less money, more go". Next August I said "you painted them yellow, now where's my dinero!"
09-16-2014, 12:29 PM
#8152
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
How is it that the LAS captain rep and the secretary treasury ( running for captain rep) schedule a meeting for a time that entire team can attend AFTER THE AWARDS COME OUT? ...... if they didn't know the date in advance?
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
09-16-2014, 12:36 PM
#8153
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
I was fully expecting to see "Spirit" on the tail, but for the fuselage space to be sold. I'm really surprised to not see ads on the side of the fuselage. There must be some sort of FAA rule against it, otherwise we'd be doing it.
Anything to increase profits.
Anything to increase profits.
09-16-2014, 01:01 PM
#8154
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Posts: 1,857
I called it, "the bumble bee", could be worse, a yellow attachment to our uniforms..... (Tic, toc)
09-16-2014, 02:55 PM
#8155
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Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by Lemonade
How is it that the LAS captain rep and the secretary treasury ( running for captain rep) schedule a meeting for a time that entire team can attend AFTER THE AWARDS COME OUT? ...... if they didn't know the date in advance?
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
SECTION 3 - LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
A. Local Council meetings shall be the forum of the general membership of the Association.
B. REGULAR LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
Regular meetings of the Local Council shall be called at least once every four (4) months by the Chairman, or by the Vice Chairman or Secretary-Treasurer at the direction of the Chairman.
"The following shall be complied with during Local Council meetings: where applicable, due to the size of the Council, or availability of membership, and in order to allow the maximum number of members to attend a meeting, the meeting may be divided into two (2) or more sessions. Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda, and in case of new business at the first session, such new business shall be discussed at the remaining sessions of the meetings. Any vote taken on any matter of business must be a compilation of the voting on that matter of business of all sessions. Voting at second or subsequent sessions must be confined to the issues voted upon at the first session, including votes to table, amend, etc. Any action to amend or to otherwise dispose of an item at a second or subsequent session requires that said decision be placed on the published agenda of the next regular meeting of the Council. In case of a tie vote, the Local Executive Council shall vote the issue and their vote shall be the decision of the Council. Items of business not discussed at all sessions shall revert to the next Local Council meeting for final decision."
Let's be real. They don't want DFW pilots to vote. If they did, they'd hold a vote in DFW. Period. No big deal, and obviously logistically possible. Rather, they claim that DFW pilots should commute to LAS to exercise their RIGHT, ignoring the provision listed above. Let's call it what it is....dirty politics, once again.
Last edited by A320Flyer; 09-16-2014 at 03:09 PM. Reason: Typo
09-16-2014, 04:45 PM
#8156
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemonade
How is it that the LAS captain rep and the secretary treasury ( running for captain rep) schedule a meeting for a time that entire team can attend AFTER THE AWARDS COME OUT? ...... if they didn't know the date in advance?
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
You mean the LEC, which includes the current Secretary/Treasurer, based in LAS, and also running for captain rep is ignoring the following...
SECTION 3 - LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
A. Local Council meetings shall be the forum of the general membership of the Association.
B. REGULAR LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
Regular meetings of the Local Council shall be called at least once every four (4) months by the Chairman, or by the Vice Chairman or Secretary-Treasurer at the direction of the Chairman.
"The following shall be complied with during Local Council meetings: where applicable, due to the size of the Council, or availability of membership, and in order to allow the maximum number of members to attend a meeting, the meeting may be divided into two (2) or more sessions. Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda, and in case of new business at the first session, such new business shall be discussed at the remaining sessions of the meetings. Any vote taken on any matter of business must be a compilation of the voting on that matter of business of all sessions. Voting at second or subsequent sessions must be confined to the issues voted upon at the first session, including votes to table, amend, etc. Any action to amend or to otherwise dispose of an item at a second or subsequent session requires that said decision be placed on the published agenda of the next regular meeting of the Council. In case of a tie vote, the Local Executive Council shall vote the issue and their vote shall be the decision of the Council. Items of business not discussed at all sessions shall revert to the next Local Council meeting for final decision."
Let's be real. They don't want DFW pilots to vote. If they did, they'd hold a vote in DFW. Period. No big deal, and obviously logistically possible. Rather, they claim that DFW pilots should commute to LAS to exercise their RIGHT, ignoring the provision listed above. Let's call it what it is....dirty politics, once again.
Originally Posted by Lemonade
How is it that the LAS captain rep and the secretary treasury ( running for captain rep) schedule a meeting for a time that entire team can attend AFTER THE AWARDS COME OUT? ...... if they didn't know the date in advance?
Does anyone else find this odd and resemble collusion. It looks to me like all the DFW pilots are indeed locked out by inconvenience when indeed the ALPA constitution allows inclusion by clearly spelling out how concurrent meetings are perfectly allowed.
Had the DFW pilots known the date they might have had a better chance to attend and vote by bidding the days off.
You mean the LEC, which includes the current Secretary/Treasurer, based in LAS, and also running for captain rep is ignoring the following...
SECTION 3 - LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
A. Local Council meetings shall be the forum of the general membership of the Association.
B. REGULAR LOCAL COUNCIL MEETINGS
Regular meetings of the Local Council shall be called at least once every four (4) months by the Chairman, or by the Vice Chairman or Secretary-Treasurer at the direction of the Chairman.
"The following shall be complied with during Local Council meetings: where applicable, due to the size of the Council, or availability of membership, and in order to allow the maximum number of members to attend a meeting, the meeting may be divided into two (2) or more sessions. Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda, and in case of new business at the first session, such new business shall be discussed at the remaining sessions of the meetings. Any vote taken on any matter of business must be a compilation of the voting on that matter of business of all sessions. Voting at second or subsequent sessions must be confined to the issues voted upon at the first session, including votes to table, amend, etc. Any action to amend or to otherwise dispose of an item at a second or subsequent session requires that said decision be placed on the published agenda of the next regular meeting of the Council. In case of a tie vote, the Local Executive Council shall vote the issue and their vote shall be the decision of the Council. Items of business not discussed at all sessions shall revert to the next Local Council meeting for final decision."
Let's be real. They don't want DFW pilots to vote. If they did, they'd hold a vote in DFW. Period. No big deal, and obviously logistically possible. Rather, they claim that DFW pilots should commute to LAS to exercise their RIGHT, ignoring the provision listed above. Let's call it what it is....dirty politics, once again.
09-16-2014, 05:05 PM
#8157
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by Sailor
I don't like it either, but when you and your team gets to run the "family" consigliere, and it's time to vote on ORD/DTW/ACY, are you gonna run a 3 base vote?
09-16-2014, 10:26 PM
#8158
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 218
Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Andy B. expressed to me earlier today that, if elected, they'll run complimentary/back-to-back meetings in LAS and DFW (same agenda items). I like it.
"The following shall be complied with ... Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda ..."
I'm not saying that I support the current LEC 77's decision to hold the vote in LAS only, and schedule it after final awards (an issue not unique to LEC 77, by the way), but a guy saying he'll follow the rules he's required to follow is hardly revolutionary.
This is your cue to point out that publishing the budget is required by the bylaws too.
Is someone going to actually campaign for these positions, or is everyone going to say nothing, except CB? The website is so generic - I'll listen, I'll communicate, I'll be the voice of my pilots - hard hitting stuff, right there. How about you take a look at Heide Oberndor's website and take some stands on something, guys?
As far as I can tell, a couple guys who are not running for anything are working a smear campaign against the current LEC 77 Chair and Vice, plus the MEC leadership, none of whom are running for a currently contested position, and implying that a link exists between the candidates actually running simply because these pilots running are currently volunteering for Spirit ALPA. Meanwhile, another guy is single-handedly carrying on an attack (to put it mildly) against a fellow Spirit pilot.
Publishing the LEC 77 budget is not something worth getting excited about (anyone seen the budget for any other LEC, including 109's?). Running for your first office at Spirit, or ever, is hardly a great reason to vote someone in to office either. Are any of the candidates (other than CB) actually going to show us what they stand for, rather than have others tell us all why the current LEC and MEC reps (who, again, aren't running) are NOT good at publishing budgets, or why the grievance committee (also not running for LEC 77 electable positions) doesn't communicate?
After reading 10 pages of 'the current LEC Chair and the current MEC don't publish budgets, and ... well, they're clearly up to something no good, though I have no proof, so, yeah, vote for my guy' - I just can't take any more of it. What do any of the candidates (the guys actually running) stand for (other than publishing the LEC budget)?
09-17-2014, 06:02 AM
#8159
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Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by NedsKid
Andy told you he'd do what's required by the ALPA by-laws, huh?
"The following shall be complied with ... Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda ..."
I'm not saying that I support the current LEC 77's decision to hold the vote in LAS only, and schedule it after final awards (an issue not unique to LEC 77, by the way), but a guy saying he'll follow the rules he's required to follow is hardly revolutionary.
This is your cue to point out that publishing the budget is required by the bylaws too.
Is someone going to actually campaign for these positions, or is everyone going to say nothing, except CB? The website is so generic - I'll listen, I'll communicate, I'll be the voice of my pilots - hard hitting stuff, right there. How about you take a look at Heide Oberndor's website and take some stands on something, guys?
As far as I can tell, a couple guys who are not running for anything are working a smear campaign against the current LEC 77 Chair and Vice, plus the MEC leadership, none of whom are running for a currently contested position, and implying that a link exists between the candidates actually running simply because these pilots running are currently volunteering for Spirit ALPA. Meanwhile, another guy is single-handedly carrying on an attack (to put it mildly) against a fellow Spirit pilot.
Publishing the LEC 77 budget is not something worth getting excited about (anyone seen the budget for any other LEC, including 109's?). Running for your first office at Spirit, or ever, is hardly a great reason to vote someone in to office either. Are any of the candidates (other than CB) actually going to show us what they stand for, rather than have others tell us all why the current LEC and MEC reps (who, again, aren't running) are NOT good at publishing budgets, or why the grievance committee (also not running for LEC 77 electable positions) doesn't communicate?
After reading 10 pages of 'the current LEC Chair and the current MEC don't publish budgets, and ... well, they're clearly up to something no good, though I have no proof, so, yeah, vote for my guy' - I just can't take any more of it. What do any of the candidates (the guys actually running) stand for (other than publishing the LEC budget)?
"The following shall be complied with ... Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda ..."
I'm not saying that I support the current LEC 77's decision to hold the vote in LAS only, and schedule it after final awards (an issue not unique to LEC 77, by the way), but a guy saying he'll follow the rules he's required to follow is hardly revolutionary.
This is your cue to point out that publishing the budget is required by the bylaws too.
Is someone going to actually campaign for these positions, or is everyone going to say nothing, except CB? The website is so generic - I'll listen, I'll communicate, I'll be the voice of my pilots - hard hitting stuff, right there. How about you take a look at Heide Oberndor's website and take some stands on something, guys?
As far as I can tell, a couple guys who are not running for anything are working a smear campaign against the current LEC 77 Chair and Vice, plus the MEC leadership, none of whom are running for a currently contested position, and implying that a link exists between the candidates actually running simply because these pilots running are currently volunteering for Spirit ALPA. Meanwhile, another guy is single-handedly carrying on an attack (to put it mildly) against a fellow Spirit pilot.
Publishing the LEC 77 budget is not something worth getting excited about (anyone seen the budget for any other LEC, including 109's?). Running for your first office at Spirit, or ever, is hardly a great reason to vote someone in to office either. Are any of the candidates (other than CB) actually going to show us what they stand for, rather than have others tell us all why the current LEC and MEC reps (who, again, aren't running) are NOT good at publishing budgets, or why the grievance committee (also not running for LEC 77 electable positions) doesn't communicate?
After reading 10 pages of 'the current LEC Chair and the current MEC don't publish budgets, and ... well, they're clearly up to something no good, though I have no proof, so, yeah, vote for my guy' - I just can't take any more of it. What do any of the candidates (the guys actually running) stand for (other than publishing the LEC budget)?
09-17-2014, 06:40 AM
#8160
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by NedsKid
Andy told you he'd do what's required by the ALPA by-laws, huh?
"The following shall be complied with ... Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda ..."
"The following shall be complied with ... Each meeting having
more than one session shall discuss the same items on the published agenda ..."
Quite obviously the current LEC didn't consider it applicable for this meeting. Which is a loss for all of us, because it gives the appearance that the LAS based LEC members are taking advantage of circumstance to give themselves a political advantage. In their defense, I spoke to my Capt Rep yesterday and he claims to be making max effort to gain ALPA's permission to set up a divided session which would allow a DFW based pilot to vote in base.
I'm not saying that I support the current LEC 77's decision to hold the vote in LAS only, and schedule it after final awards (an issue not unique to LEC 77, by the way), but a guy saying he'll follow the rules he's required to follow is hardly revolutionary.
This is your cue to point out that publishing the budget is required by the bylaws too.
Is someone going to actually campaign for these positions, or is everyone going to say nothing, except CB? The website is so generic - I'll listen, I'll communicate, I'll be the voice of my pilots - hard hitting stuff, right there. How about you take a look at Heide Oberndor's website and take some stands on something, guys?
Is someone going to actually campaign for these positions, or is everyone going to say nothing, except CB? The website is so generic - I'll listen, I'll communicate, I'll be the voice of my pilots - hard hitting stuff, right there. How about you take a look at Heide Oberndor's website and take some stands on something, guys?
As far as I can tell, a couple guys who are not running for anything are working a smear campaign against the current LEC 77 Chair and Vice, plus the MEC leadership, none of whom are running for a currently contested position, and implying that a link exists between the candidates actually running simply because these pilots running are currently volunteering for Spirit ALPA. Meanwhile, another guy is single-handedly carrying on an attack (to put it mildly) against a fellow Spirit pilot.
Publishing the LEC 77 budget is not something worth getting excited about (anyone seen the budget for any other LEC, including 109's?). Running for your first office at Spirit, or ever, is hardly a great reason to vote someone in to office either. Are any of the candidates (other than CB) actually going to show us what they stand for, rather than have others tell us all why the current LEC and MEC reps (who, again, aren't running) are NOT good at publishing budgets, or why the grievance committee (also not running for LEC 77 electable positions) doesn't communicate?
After reading 10 pages of 'the current LEC Chair and the current MEC don't publish budgets, and ... well, they're clearly up to something no good, though I have no proof, so, yeah, vote for my guy' - I just can't take any more of it. What do any of the candidates (the guys actually running) stand for (other than publishing the LEC budget)?
Publishing the LEC 77 budget is not something worth getting excited about (anyone seen the budget for any other LEC, including 109's?). Running for your first office at Spirit, or ever, is hardly a great reason to vote someone in to office either. Are any of the candidates (other than CB) actually going to show us what they stand for, rather than have others tell us all why the current LEC and MEC reps (who, again, aren't running) are NOT good at publishing budgets, or why the grievance committee (also not running for LEC 77 electable positions) doesn't communicate?
After reading 10 pages of 'the current LEC Chair and the current MEC don't publish budgets, and ... well, they're clearly up to something no good, though I have no proof, so, yeah, vote for my guy' - I just can't take any more of it. What do any of the candidates (the guys actually running) stand for (other than publishing the LEC budget)?
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