Spirit of NKS
09-14-2014, 03:36 PM
#8111
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Position: A320 captain
Posts: 209
Audi2000 you made your first post just a few days ago in which you revealed yourself as Cole Brantley. In the interest of honesty and transparency, what was your APC handle prior to 9/11/2014, or are we to believe that was your first day here?
09-14-2014, 03:54 PM
#8112
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by TTOCSMCC
Audi2000 you made your first post just a few days ago in which you revealed yourself as Cole Brantley. In the interest of honesty and transparency, what was your APC handle prior to 9/11/2014, or are we to believe that was your first day here?
09-14-2014, 06:00 PM
#8113
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Seated
Posts: 338
Originally Posted by skybolt
Dilbert is the Vice Chair of 109? I wouldn't have guessed that.
09-14-2014, 06:08 PM
#8114
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
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Posts: 338
Just remember, hope and change isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Current president of USA is a prime example...
09-14-2014, 07:58 PM
#8115
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by Dilbert
Just remember, hope and change isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Current president of USA is a prime example...
I think the only way we achieve the gains that most people expect IS to change the way SPA ALPA does the pilots business. The current philosophy gave us C2003 which was negotiated in six weeks so as to give Jacob Schorr the concessions he demanded inexchange for "growth". We gave up conflict bidding and our calender day guarantee in that contract. The same team rode the opposite strategy to a drawn out negotiation and a strike in 2010 to give away time and a half OT. One of the supposed big gains in C2010 was "an expedited arbitration process". Since that "gain", SPA ALPA has obviously chosen the arbitration process as our SOP. C2010 also gave us the "red/green" fiasco, as far as we know "red/green" is still in arbitration. So we gave up something to get an expedited arbitration process (don't doubt that we gave up something, DP is famous for stating "what are you going to give up to get xxxx", so he obviously accepts that something must be given to get and they totally advertised "expedited arbitrations" as a "get") so we got the arbitration process and we end up in an arbitration quagmire over "red/green" and no telling what else. Go figure!
Yes, change just might be in order.
And, as an aside, almost none of the good stuff in our contract came from C2003 or C2010.
Five/four off between blocks of work? Pre dates the union drive.
No JA? Before my time, but I'm pretty sure it dates from C1999.
Three hour reserve report? LOA from 2006.
Commute clause? LOA from 2007.
You think red/green was a win? It actually gave up a (weak) staffing formula to get it and it's still unresolved.
I'm sure guys like Ramrod can think of more.
Go Bears!
09-14-2014, 08:00 PM
#8116
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by The Juice
Hyperbole much? "Demanding the attack-ees stand down" I think I hardly demanded anything, more so pointed out the irony of something.
And I have hardly "picked sides." Perhaps you feel the best course of action is to go toe to toe with an anonymous poster named "Spiritman," not realizing that all he wants is for you to take the troll bait and go back and forth with him. The anonymous poster came on here and posted very strong accusations against Cole and Cole himself replied to those accusations. That should be the end of it, right? You do realize that having a mud slinging competition with an anonymous poster named "Spiritman" hardly does anything to further the cause of trying to help Cole and the others get elected, right?
And I have hardly "picked sides." Perhaps you feel the best course of action is to go toe to toe with an anonymous poster named "Spiritman," not realizing that all he wants is for you to take the troll bait and go back and forth with him. The anonymous poster came on here and posted very strong accusations against Cole and Cole himself replied to those accusations. That should be the end of it, right? You do realize that having a mud slinging competition with an anonymous poster named "Spiritman" hardly does anything to further the cause of trying to help Cole and the others get elected, right?
I'm not going toe to toe with Spiritman, I going toe to toe with guys who view any dissent as disloyalty and those who accept negativism from only one side.
09-15-2014, 07:08 AM
#8117
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Posts: 758
Originally Posted by skybolt
And here's where I get in trouble with the in crowd.
I think the only way we achieve the gains that most people expect IS to change the way SPA ALPA does the pilots business. The current philosophy gave us C2003 which was negotiated in six weeks so as to give Jacob Schorr the concessions he demanded inexchange for "growth". We gave up conflict bidding and our calender day guarantee in that contract. The same team rode the opposite strategy to a drawn out negotiation and a strike in 2010 to give away time and a half OT. One of the supposed big gains in C2010 was "an expedited arbitration process". Since that "gain", SPA ALPA has obviously chosen the arbitration process as our SOP. C2010 also gave us the "red/green" fiasco, as far as we know "red/green" is still in arbitration. So we gave up something to get an expedited arbitration process (don't doubt that we gave up something, DP is famous for stating "what are you going to give up to get xxxx", so he obviously accepts that something must be given to get and they totally advertised "expedited arbitrations" as a "get") so we got the arbitration process and we end up in an arbitration quagmire over "red/green" and no telling what else. Go figure!
Yes, change just might be in order.
And, as an aside, almost none of the good stuff in our contract came from C2003 or C2010.
Five/four off between blocks of work? Pre dates the union drive.
No JA? Before my time, but I'm pretty sure it dates from C1999.
Three hour reserve report? LOA from 2006.
Commute clause? LOA from 2007.
You think red/green was a win? It actually gave up a (weak) staffing formula to get it and it's still unresolved.
I'm sure guys like Ramrod can think of more.
Go Bears!
I think the only way we achieve the gains that most people expect IS to change the way SPA ALPA does the pilots business. The current philosophy gave us C2003 which was negotiated in six weeks so as to give Jacob Schorr the concessions he demanded inexchange for "growth". We gave up conflict bidding and our calender day guarantee in that contract. The same team rode the opposite strategy to a drawn out negotiation and a strike in 2010 to give away time and a half OT. One of the supposed big gains in C2010 was "an expedited arbitration process". Since that "gain", SPA ALPA has obviously chosen the arbitration process as our SOP. C2010 also gave us the "red/green" fiasco, as far as we know "red/green" is still in arbitration. So we gave up something to get an expedited arbitration process (don't doubt that we gave up something, DP is famous for stating "what are you going to give up to get xxxx", so he obviously accepts that something must be given to get and they totally advertised "expedited arbitrations" as a "get") so we got the arbitration process and we end up in an arbitration quagmire over "red/green" and no telling what else. Go figure!
Yes, change just might be in order.
And, as an aside, almost none of the good stuff in our contract came from C2003 or C2010.
Five/four off between blocks of work? Pre dates the union drive.
No JA? Before my time, but I'm pretty sure it dates from C1999.
Three hour reserve report? LOA from 2006.
Commute clause? LOA from 2007.
You think red/green was a win? It actually gave up a (weak) staffing formula to get it and it's still unresolved.
I'm sure guys like Ramrod can think of more.
Go Bears!
09-15-2014, 07:33 AM
#8118
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
So who is spiritman? His behavior is unacceptable
09-15-2014, 10:55 AM
#8119
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A-320 Captain
Posts: 45
Originally Posted by skybolt
Gotcha! But with the insiders continual attempts to paint everyone who differs with them as "anti ALPA", we've got to go to all lengths to make all understand that we are as much if not more pro ALPA than are they.
A bunch of pro pilot, pro pilot Association, SPA ALPA pilots are trying to win SPA 77 elections. This isn't ALPA against anti ALPA like some want everyone to believe, I'm not even sure that if it weren't for outside influences all four Rep candidates would probably look pretty much alike. The only difference seeming to be that two of the candidates are part of the current team and two are not part of the current team.
Just be careful with the language, OK? We really are ALPA!
A bunch of pro pilot, pro pilot Association, SPA ALPA pilots are trying to win SPA 77 elections. This isn't ALPA against anti ALPA like some want everyone to believe, I'm not even sure that if it weren't for outside influences all four Rep candidates would probably look pretty much alike. The only difference seeming to be that two of the candidates are part of the current team and two are not part of the current team.
Just be careful with the language, OK? We really are ALPA!
Shutting down our board over a technicality is what really upset me because it was an effort to curb disagreement and debate....the same way a dictator would take over TV and radio to control information. No one is served well by one sided arguments. I look at the debates here as a debate over what we want our union to be. This is a great debate to have.
The only thing that has no business in this debate (no matter how passionate) is character attacks. We are all ALPA even though we may disagree over issues.
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