Spirit of NKS
09-15-2014 | 07:08 AM
#8121
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And here's where I get in trouble with the in crowd.
I think the only way we achieve the gains that most people expect IS to change the way SPA ALPA does the pilots business. The current philosophy gave us C2003 which was negotiated in six weeks so as to give Jacob Schorr the concessions he demanded inexchange for "growth". We gave up conflict bidding and our calender day guarantee in that contract. The same team rode the opposite strategy to a drawn out negotiation and a strike in 2010 to give away time and a half OT. One of the supposed big gains in C2010 was "an expedited arbitration process". Since that "gain", SPA ALPA has obviously chosen the arbitration process as our SOP. C2010 also gave us the "red/green" fiasco, as far as we know "red/green" is still in arbitration. So we gave up something to get an expedited arbitration process (don't doubt that we gave up something, DP is famous for stating "what are you going to give up to get xxxx", so he obviously accepts that something must be given to get and they totally advertised "expedited arbitrations" as a "get") so we got the arbitration process and we end up in an arbitration quagmire over "red/green" and no telling what else. Go figure!
Yes, change just might be in order.
And, as an aside, almost none of the good stuff in our contract came from C2003 or C2010.
Five/four off between blocks of work? Pre dates the union drive.
No JA? Before my time, but I'm pretty sure it dates from C1999.
Three hour reserve report? LOA from 2006.
Commute clause? LOA from 2007.
You think red/green was a win? It actually gave up a (weak) staffing formula to get it and it's still unresolved.
I'm sure guys like Ramrod can think of more.
Go Bears!
I think the only way we achieve the gains that most people expect IS to change the way SPA ALPA does the pilots business. The current philosophy gave us C2003 which was negotiated in six weeks so as to give Jacob Schorr the concessions he demanded inexchange for "growth". We gave up conflict bidding and our calender day guarantee in that contract. The same team rode the opposite strategy to a drawn out negotiation and a strike in 2010 to give away time and a half OT. One of the supposed big gains in C2010 was "an expedited arbitration process". Since that "gain", SPA ALPA has obviously chosen the arbitration process as our SOP. C2010 also gave us the "red/green" fiasco, as far as we know "red/green" is still in arbitration. So we gave up something to get an expedited arbitration process (don't doubt that we gave up something, DP is famous for stating "what are you going to give up to get xxxx", so he obviously accepts that something must be given to get and they totally advertised "expedited arbitrations" as a "get") so we got the arbitration process and we end up in an arbitration quagmire over "red/green" and no telling what else. Go figure!
Yes, change just might be in order.
And, as an aside, almost none of the good stuff in our contract came from C2003 or C2010.
Five/four off between blocks of work? Pre dates the union drive.
No JA? Before my time, but I'm pretty sure it dates from C1999.
Three hour reserve report? LOA from 2006.
Commute clause? LOA from 2007.
You think red/green was a win? It actually gave up a (weak) staffing formula to get it and it's still unresolved.
I'm sure guys like Ramrod can think of more.
Go Bears!
09-15-2014 | 07:33 AM
#8122
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So who is spiritman? His behavior is unacceptable
09-15-2014 | 10:55 AM
#8123
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From: A-320 Captain
Gotcha! But with the insiders continual attempts to paint everyone who differs with them as "anti ALPA", we've got to go to all lengths to make all understand that we are as much if not more pro ALPA than are they.
A bunch of pro pilot, pro pilot Association, SPA ALPA pilots are trying to win SPA 77 elections. This isn't ALPA against anti ALPA like some want everyone to believe, I'm not even sure that if it weren't for outside influences all four Rep candidates would probably look pretty much alike. The only difference seeming to be that two of the candidates are part of the current team and two are not part of the current team.
Just be careful with the language, OK? We really are ALPA!
A bunch of pro pilot, pro pilot Association, SPA ALPA pilots are trying to win SPA 77 elections. This isn't ALPA against anti ALPA like some want everyone to believe, I'm not even sure that if it weren't for outside influences all four Rep candidates would probably look pretty much alike. The only difference seeming to be that two of the candidates are part of the current team and two are not part of the current team.
Just be careful with the language, OK? We really are ALPA!
Shutting down our board over a technicality is what really upset me because it was an effort to curb disagreement and debate....the same way a dictator would take over TV and radio to control information. No one is served well by one sided arguments. I look at the debates here as a debate over what we want our union to be. This is a great debate to have.
The only thing that has no business in this debate (no matter how passionate) is character attacks. We are all ALPA even though we may disagree over issues.
09-15-2014 | 11:05 AM
#8124
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Who is spiritman?
09-15-2014 | 01:15 PM
#8126
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From: A320 Captain
I think we all can agree we know who it is, same as when I ran the recall against F. H. for the same issues, they made a pretend blog page about me and posted the same pdf.
09-15-2014 | 02:17 PM
#8127
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DP sounds like a DB....
09-15-2014 | 04:30 PM
#8129
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From: A320 CA
I heard that we lost the "Special Project" arbitration a couple of weeks ago. The one about having delivery flights and certain ferries posted on Flica for line pilot bidding. Anyone have any insight on that? If that is the case, why has nothing been communicated to the membership? Seems like they'll continue to be flown by management and select check airman.
"Subject to the Company’s rights to use management pilots as described in Section 25, special projects that involve any flying of the aircraft shall be placed into open time for bid by all pilots and awarded in accordance with Section 25. Open time bids on special project flying from pilots not yet qualified for the special project will be rejected. If special project flying requires additional qualification, such qualification training shall be placed for bid by all pilots in accordance with Section 24."
"Subject to the Company’s rights to use management pilots as described in Section 25, special projects that involve any flying of the aircraft shall be placed into open time for bid by all pilots and awarded in accordance with Section 25. Open time bids on special project flying from pilots not yet qualified for the special project will be rejected. If special project flying requires additional qualification, such qualification training shall be placed for bid by all pilots in accordance with Section 24."
09-15-2014 | 05:06 PM
#8130
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No idea who DP is. If he's going to write full pages about a fellow pilots legal history on a google searchable forum I think he needs to formally apologize with his name. I know there is a lot of bullshiit on here but that single post was so off putting to me I'm having trouble letting it go. I know neither the poster or the person it was posted about. The post just blew me away. If that type of information was relevant to the group then it should have been communicated in an email or a meeting.
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