Spirit of NKS
09-11-2014, 08:51 AM
#8021
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 29
Only one side is on the "smear" side.
09-11-2014, 09:03 AM
#8022
Banned
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
I agree, if it's a candidate from the "other side" as this side states, it wouldn't be long before something similar surfaces. Nothing clean in politics, if you put your name on the hat, be ready for stuff like this, if you are running in the premises of bringing "transparency" you have to lead on it.
Just saying
Just saying
09-11-2014, 09:17 AM
#8023
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by Sailor
I agree, if it's a candidate from the "other side" as this side states, it wouldn't be long before something similar surfaces. Nothing clean in politics, if you put your name on the hat, be ready for stuff like this, if you are running in the premises of bringing "transparency" you have to lead on it.
Just saying
Just saying
"An Air Line Pilot will conduct his affairs with other members of the profession and with ALPA in such a manner as to bring credit to the profession and ALPA as well as to himself.
• He will not falsely or maliciously injure the professional reputation, prospects, or job security of another pilot, yet if he knows of professional incompetence or conduct detrimental to the profession or to ALPA, he will not shrink from revealing this to the proper authorities within ALPA, so that the weak member may be brought up to the standards demanded, or ALPA and the profession alike may be rid of one unworthy to share its rewards."
Shame on the other side. And I bet you that Spiritman's public post, without knowing all the facts of the case, is grounds for a lawsuit or sanction from the union.
Just saying...
Last edited by A320Flyer; 09-11-2014 at 09:33 AM.
09-11-2014, 09:38 AM
#8024
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 6
Yea Really?
"In case anyone is wondering, Cole won the appeal at the NTSB, and was cleared."
Then post the letter that he was cleared. From what was he cleared, the DUI, His failure to report it? His BS story about why his appeal was untimley.
When you propose to be Mr. Honesty and Integrity then, as they say, if you talk the talk, then walk the walk.
This guy has made honesty and transparancy his issue. Now his version of Honesty and Transparancy have been made "transparant" and it doesnt seem too honest.
Not just the DUI, as I said in the first post, no big deal, we all make mistakes. But the complete dysfunctional, dishonest, noncompliant behavior in the aftermath show ones true colors. Cole showed his.
Like I said IMO we could do better!
"In case anyone is wondering, Cole won the appeal at the NTSB, and was cleared."
Then post the letter that he was cleared. From what was he cleared, the DUI, His failure to report it? His BS story about why his appeal was untimley.
When you propose to be Mr. Honesty and Integrity then, as they say, if you talk the talk, then walk the walk.
This guy has made honesty and transparancy his issue. Now his version of Honesty and Transparancy have been made "transparant" and it doesnt seem too honest.
Not just the DUI, as I said in the first post, no big deal, we all make mistakes. But the complete dysfunctional, dishonest, noncompliant behavior in the aftermath show ones true colors. Cole showed his.
Like I said IMO we could do better!
09-11-2014, 10:00 AM
#8025
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by Spiritman
Yea Really?
"In case anyone is wondering, Cole won the appeal at the NTSB, and was cleared."
Then post the letter that he was cleared. From what was he cleared, the DUI, His failure to report it? His BS story about why his appeal was untimley.
When you propose to be Mr. Honesty and Integrity then, as they say, if you talk the talk, then walk the walk.
This guy has made honesty and transparancy his issue. Now his version of Honesty and Transparancy have been made "transparant" and it doesnt seem too honest.
Not just the DUI, as I said in the first post, no big deal, we all make mistakes. But the complete dysfunctional, dishonest, noncompliant behavior in the aftermath show ones true colors. Cole showed his.
Like I said IMO we could do better!
"In case anyone is wondering, Cole won the appeal at the NTSB, and was cleared."
Then post the letter that he was cleared. From what was he cleared, the DUI, His failure to report it? His BS story about why his appeal was untimley.
When you propose to be Mr. Honesty and Integrity then, as they say, if you talk the talk, then walk the walk.
This guy has made honesty and transparancy his issue. Now his version of Honesty and Transparancy have been made "transparant" and it doesnt seem too honest.
Not just the DUI, as I said in the first post, no big deal, we all make mistakes. But the complete dysfunctional, dishonest, noncompliant behavior in the aftermath show ones true colors. Cole showed his.
Like I said IMO we could do better!
The only thing you're doing is hurting the SPA77 candidates you support with dirty tactics. Keep it up! We like it...
09-11-2014, 11:07 AM
#8026
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by A320Flyer
His BS story? So what are you now? Judge, expert and executioner? I'm sure you have the 1000+ pages worth of documentation, don't you? Post it yourself since you got yourself into this mess. If he had not been cleared from a case that started and wrapped up in the early 2000's, when he was a student pilot, how could be have flown for his former airline and Spirit today? I would watch what you post here as your smearing and clear violation of the ALPA Code of Ethics might come with consequences. By the way, only one person loves slandering Cole to the pilots he flies with, specifically mentioning this case, and we know who he is.
The only thing you're doing is hurting the SPA77 candidates you support with dirty tactics. Keep it up! We like it...
The only thing you're doing is hurting the SPA77 candidates you support with dirty tactics. Keep it up! We like it...
Exactly A320, additionally, the person attacking Cole with this "dirt" hasn't done his homework.
If anyone cares, this chapter of Cole's career was completely known and resolved in Coles favor well prior to his employment with Spirit Airlines. I assure you that Spirit was well aware of this situation when he was offered employment and they knowingly made that offer. End of story.
Except - desperate people trying to hold control of the SPA MEC at any cost are willing to stoop to new lows and try to smear a local Sec/Treas Candidate because he's aligned with who they deem to be their opposition.
Ryan, James, I ask again - will you condemn this type of campaign tactic?
09-11-2014, 11:10 AM
#8027
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Airbus Left
Posts: 130
Originally Posted by skybolt
I disagree with your premise, not altogether but essentially disagree.
We were weakened, but it was the entire situation at that time.
*Ned losing control to Jacob Schorr.
*Jacob Schorr bringing in institutional investors (Oak Tree).
*Oak Tree taking over and removing Jacob as President.
*Oak Tree bringing in Ben Baldanza as President.
*Oak Tree promoting Ben Baldanza to President and CEO.
*Ben Baldanza firing (over the period of 12 months) every VP, manager and/or director from Mirimar.
*VP OP's Scotty J being one of those senior leaders who got fired for a reason that we'll likely never know, probably just because he wasn't Bens friend from USAir.
*Oak Tree/Ben Baldanza bringing in Jeff C to replace Scotty J.
*The MEC (all four of them) using this fresh slate as an opportunity to make gains for the pilot group.
*"Palace Coups" inside Mirimar as the remaining upper management tried to consolidate power after each of Ben's removals.
*Jeff C's decision to remove 9 senior DE's/Checkpilots from the training dept.
* A large portion of the remaining training dept banding together, hiring an attorney, and attempting to sue both SPA ALPA and Spirit to regain their friends tng dept positions.
************************************************** *
*Oak Trees DECISION TO BRING IN INDIGO PARTNERS AS THE MANAGING PARTNER AND CONTROLLING INTEREST IN SPIRIT AIRLINES.
************************************************** *
*Indigo taking all expenditure power/discretion away from Spirit personnel (even VP OPs Jeff C). All spending went through Indigo reps.
*Indigo bringing Ford and Harrison, the anti ALPA law firm to work against us.
*Spirit changing from MD80's to Airbii. (the big push for transition coinciding with Jeff C taking over the tng dept and that ensuing mess).
*Ben Baldanza implementing his business model (Caribbean Visiting Friends and Relatives) at Spirit Airlines.
*Bill Franke, Indigo Partners, implementing his ULCC model on Spirit Airlines and finally,
*The world wide economic melt down of 2007/2008
And those were just the external influences on the Spirit Pilot group.
If you really do care to discover the cause of our weakness, you'll have to determine what makes a group weak, and I'll leave it for later but groups don't become weak from the external.
Blaming one VP OPs for all our problems is short sighted at best.
Vote SPA 77 - Home
We were weakened, but it was the entire situation at that time.
*Ned losing control to Jacob Schorr.
*Jacob Schorr bringing in institutional investors (Oak Tree).
*Oak Tree taking over and removing Jacob as President.
*Oak Tree bringing in Ben Baldanza as President.
*Oak Tree promoting Ben Baldanza to President and CEO.
*Ben Baldanza firing (over the period of 12 months) every VP, manager and/or director from Mirimar.
*VP OP's Scotty J being one of those senior leaders who got fired for a reason that we'll likely never know, probably just because he wasn't Bens friend from USAir.
*Oak Tree/Ben Baldanza bringing in Jeff C to replace Scotty J.
*The MEC (all four of them) using this fresh slate as an opportunity to make gains for the pilot group.
*"Palace Coups" inside Mirimar as the remaining upper management tried to consolidate power after each of Ben's removals.
*Jeff C's decision to remove 9 senior DE's/Checkpilots from the training dept.
* A large portion of the remaining training dept banding together, hiring an attorney, and attempting to sue both SPA ALPA and Spirit to regain their friends tng dept positions.
************************************************** *
*Oak Trees DECISION TO BRING IN INDIGO PARTNERS AS THE MANAGING PARTNER AND CONTROLLING INTEREST IN SPIRIT AIRLINES.
************************************************** *
*Indigo taking all expenditure power/discretion away from Spirit personnel (even VP OPs Jeff C). All spending went through Indigo reps.
*Indigo bringing Ford and Harrison, the anti ALPA law firm to work against us.
*Spirit changing from MD80's to Airbii. (the big push for transition coinciding with Jeff C taking over the tng dept and that ensuing mess).
*Ben Baldanza implementing his business model (Caribbean Visiting Friends and Relatives) at Spirit Airlines.
*Bill Franke, Indigo Partners, implementing his ULCC model on Spirit Airlines and finally,
*The world wide economic melt down of 2007/2008
And those were just the external influences on the Spirit Pilot group.
If you really do care to discover the cause of our weakness, you'll have to determine what makes a group weak, and I'll leave it for later but groups don't become weak from the external.
Blaming one VP OPs for all our problems is short sighted at best.
Vote SPA 77 - Home
The pilot group elected someone else into the ALPA leadership positions when they realized what was going on. You have been campaigning (SpiritBboard and bar meetings...) ever since against the majority of the pilot group and that new leadership.
I am just one pilot, not part of any ALPA strategic campaign. I am just asking questions to try do determine if you are up to same old BS, or if you have learned something over the last 7 years. Right now the it looks like the same old BS.
09-11-2014, 11:25 AM
#8028
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 177
Spiritman, if you would like to hear the full story instead of violating the ALPA code of ethics and the RICO Act, I suggest you ask me directly.
I am running a clean campaign and have nothing but respect for the other volunteers that are running, I may disagree, but I will not disparage. I will give you one chance to either contact me or post the full story on here. If you do not then I must protect my name and will litigate. John Steinbeck who owns this website will turn over the IP addresses of anyone in violation of the TOS. I have no idea why google seems to cache only that document, but I assure you that I did appeal and the NTSB eventually sided with me and I received a 180 suspension of my medical that was long since expired years earlier. If you must know, I was not a pilot when the DUI happened, I simply got a student pilot medical at an airshow and went on a 30 minute joyride. I did not report anything within the 3 years that medical was valid because I did not know there was any such regulation, I again need to repeat, I was not a pilot at that time, not even a private pilot, and the DUI was after the medical application. This DUI was later expunged. This issue was long since closed in 2004, I was hired by Spirit in 2007, I went through a few airlines and fully disclosed the matter, including here at Spirit.
My life is an open book, I have no secrets, so feel free to dig, but post facts, not a single document part of over 1500 pages of appeals taken out of context. If you are the person that I think you are, then you are treading on very thin legal ice, these allegations will not just get you banned from ALPA for life, but under the RICO ACT is federally prosecutable. Anyone with any questions on my character, honesty, transparency, please feel free to email or call, I will answer. If I have the legal assets and the resources to fight the FAA and win this, don't you think Spiritman I will have those same resources to defend myself against your accusations in court? My name is on this post, I ask that you man up and do the same.
Cole Brantley
I am running a clean campaign and have nothing but respect for the other volunteers that are running, I may disagree, but I will not disparage. I will give you one chance to either contact me or post the full story on here. If you do not then I must protect my name and will litigate. John Steinbeck who owns this website will turn over the IP addresses of anyone in violation of the TOS. I have no idea why google seems to cache only that document, but I assure you that I did appeal and the NTSB eventually sided with me and I received a 180 suspension of my medical that was long since expired years earlier. If you must know, I was not a pilot when the DUI happened, I simply got a student pilot medical at an airshow and went on a 30 minute joyride. I did not report anything within the 3 years that medical was valid because I did not know there was any such regulation, I again need to repeat, I was not a pilot at that time, not even a private pilot, and the DUI was after the medical application. This DUI was later expunged. This issue was long since closed in 2004, I was hired by Spirit in 2007, I went through a few airlines and fully disclosed the matter, including here at Spirit.
My life is an open book, I have no secrets, so feel free to dig, but post facts, not a single document part of over 1500 pages of appeals taken out of context. If you are the person that I think you are, then you are treading on very thin legal ice, these allegations will not just get you banned from ALPA for life, but under the RICO ACT is federally prosecutable. Anyone with any questions on my character, honesty, transparency, please feel free to email or call, I will answer. If I have the legal assets and the resources to fight the FAA and win this, don't you think Spiritman I will have those same resources to defend myself against your accusations in court? My name is on this post, I ask that you man up and do the same.
Cole Brantley
09-11-2014, 11:47 AM
#8029
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 6
Honesty in C77
No, I'm not the judge.
And Cole had no judgement, he evaded the truth, was dishonest and anything but transparent.
On his page he casts himself as a responsible honest trustworthy familyman.
But his trackrecord is anything but that. And that is revealing when your actions are not consistant with your words.
It's like a politician that runs a campain championing his opposition to corruption with a trackrecord of racketeering. Or being opposed to gay rights and getting caught with a "wide stance" in the stall of the men's room.
And no, I'm not the judge. But I could read a NTSB document that clearly shows that Cole was irresponsible, dishonest, and anything but transparent. A320 Flyer should stop carrying Coles water and let him fix his apparent disconnect between documented actions by independant 3rd parties and his self described picture of himself.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Read it and decide if he has the honesty and transparancy that we need.
And Cole had no judgement, he evaded the truth, was dishonest and anything but transparent.
On his page he casts himself as a responsible honest trustworthy familyman.
But his trackrecord is anything but that. And that is revealing when your actions are not consistant with your words.
It's like a politician that runs a campain championing his opposition to corruption with a trackrecord of racketeering. Or being opposed to gay rights and getting caught with a "wide stance" in the stall of the men's room.
And no, I'm not the judge. But I could read a NTSB document that clearly shows that Cole was irresponsible, dishonest, and anything but transparent. A320 Flyer should stop carrying Coles water and let him fix his apparent disconnect between documented actions by independant 3rd parties and his self described picture of himself.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Read it and decide if he has the honesty and transparancy that we need.
09-11-2014, 11:48 AM
#8030
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Captain
Posts: 13
You start a website where you imply either directly or indirectly in an election campaign that the current Reps, MEC lack integrity and transparency stating no objective facts to back-up said claim. Then yeah, the above document is fair game for the conversation.
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