Spirit of NKS
09-07-2014, 11:52 AM
#7921
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by skybolt
Also, I believe that Federal Law requires that unions always have open financials to their membership. I'll cut the SPA MEC some slack on this as it is actually difficult to accomplish, as most financials are in the form of "accountant speak", and it takes an accountant to decipher them.
09-07-2014, 11:56 AM
#7922
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by skybolt
That's why I'm proud of the DFW guys running for SPA 77 rep positions. They've not joined any team but their own.
09-07-2014, 12:35 PM
#7923
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Much less likely if the information is available rather than if not. Right? This is basic accountability, ethics and governance at ANY organization.
09-07-2014, 12:51 PM
#7924
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by GetReal
*IMPORTANT SPIRITBOARD SIGNUP INFORMATION!*
From the newest iteration of the Whiner's (oops I mean alternative viewpoint) Cartel of Champions. Here's all you need to do to register:
"Important Registration Information:
Username: What you want to be displayed on the Board.
Email: Your Spirit E-Mail - IMPORTANT - Must be "[email protected]" to receive activation e-mail."
So let's get this straight...in order to start the activation process to scurry to the "anonymous" whiner board one MUST use their Spirit email address...you know...the one that happens to be your ID number, the ID number that corresponds to YOUR NAME.
Of course you can change it any time after activation...thanks whinerboard moderator, I'll get right on that!, I'll just go ahead, bury my head in the sand and keep my fingers crossed you're not that gentleman/lady on everyone's no-fly list, (or a communist ALPA Henchman)...and that you pinkie promise not to remember my ID number!
Get Real
From the newest iteration of the Whiner's (oops I mean alternative viewpoint) Cartel of Champions. Here's all you need to do to register:
"Important Registration Information:
Username: What you want to be displayed on the Board.
Email: Your Spirit E-Mail - IMPORTANT - Must be "[email protected]" to receive activation e-mail."
So let's get this straight...in order to start the activation process to scurry to the "anonymous" whiner board one MUST use their Spirit email address...you know...the one that happens to be your ID number, the ID number that corresponds to YOUR NAME.
Of course you can change it any time after activation...thanks whinerboard moderator, I'll get right on that!, I'll just go ahead, bury my head in the sand and keep my fingers crossed you're not that gentleman/lady on everyone's no-fly list, (or a communist ALPA Henchman)...and that you pinkie promise not to remember my ID number!
Get Real
09-07-2014, 01:16 PM
#7925
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 218
Originally Posted by Lemonade
I would rather have one person know who will protect it rather than fricken everyone right from the get-go. Geeez
Because you have to use your company e-mail to start the process, AND you have to supply your username, the company has the right to read ALL traffic within your company e-mail account. So, the company has the right to see you've registered, and knows your username.
Anyone who signs up for that forum is anonymous to their fellow users, but not to the moderator(s) ... AND Spirit Airlines.
09-07-2014, 01:22 PM
#7926
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by NedsKid
There's more to it than that.
Because you have to use your company e-mail to start the process, AND you have to supply your username, the company has the right to read ALL traffic within your company e-mail account. So, the company has the right to see you've registered, and knows your username.
Anyone who signs up for that forum is anonymous to their fellow users, but not to the moderator(s) ... AND Spirit Airlines.
Because you have to use your company e-mail to start the process, AND you have to supply your username, the company has the right to read ALL traffic within your company e-mail account. So, the company has the right to see you've registered, and knows your username.
Anyone who signs up for that forum is anonymous to their fellow users, but not to the moderator(s) ... AND Spirit Airlines.
With the other board the company can always see what you are posting, all the time. Everyone knows that snitches show posts to management. Come on man. It's a no brainer.
09-07-2014, 01:45 PM
#7927
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A-320 Captain
Posts: 45
Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Nobody is asking for a 100 page GAAP-compliant independently-audited report. Simple financial reports with limited line items are not that difficult to create. A Secretary-Treasurer should know how to do this with basic QuickBooks software. Heck, its part of the job description. What is unacceptable, and contrary to the Bylaws, is to not publish anything at all. I'm sure there are enough MBA-educated pilots here that could help. I know ALPAshutusdown is one of them, right bud?
Would be happy to
)I want nothing more than transparency. I would hope there is no gaming the system and actually doubt there is but this secrecy benefits no one and only contributes to the conspiracy theories.
09-07-2014, 02:13 PM
#7928
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by Lemonade
So what is your point. Of course someone has to validate your credentials. I would rather have one person know who will protect it rather than fricken everyone right from the get-go. Geeez
Ok, great...so who IS that ONE person, and why should we trust him/her/them? Is it you? How do you know it's only one person? How do you know it's not an ALPA cheerleader? Please, enlighten us as to the basis of your trust in this obviously well-intended individual...I mean it's only our identity and future among our peers we're entrusting him/her/them with. Imagine with me if you will...that this ONE individual just happens to be the sleaziest scumbag in the ranks...the one who would sell his kids eyes in order to secure a 2000% super-secret deal while we walked picket lines. Are you ok with it being THAT person? How do you know it's not? Enlighten us Lemonade...let the transparency you guys constantly harp about rule the day.
Get Real
09-07-2014, 02:22 PM
#7929
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by GetReal
Really...ANY one person? Wow...I haven't seen this level of trust since we trusted guys (and one gal) not to be complete company *****s during the days leading up to the strike. (i.e. the founders of the B!tch Board)
Ok, great...so who IS that ONE person, and why should we trust him/her/them? Is it you? How do you know it's only one person? How do you know it's not an ALPA cheerleader? Please, enlighten us as to the basis of your trust in this obviously well-intended individual...I mean it's only our identity and future among our peers we're entrusting him/her/them with. Imagine with me if you will...that this ONE individual just happens to be the sleaziest scumbag in the ranks...the one who would sell his kids eyes in order to secure a 2000% super-secret deal while we walked picket lines. Are you ok with it being THAT person? How do you know it's not? Enlighten us Lemonade...let the transparency you guys constantly harp about rule the day.
Get Real
Ok, great...so who IS that ONE person, and why should we trust him/her/them? Is it you? How do you know it's only one person? How do you know it's not an ALPA cheerleader? Please, enlighten us as to the basis of your trust in this obviously well-intended individual...I mean it's only our identity and future among our peers we're entrusting him/her/them with. Imagine with me if you will...that this ONE individual just happens to be the sleaziest scumbag in the ranks...the one who would sell his kids eyes in order to secure a 2000% super-secret deal while we walked picket lines. Are you ok with it being THAT person? How do you know it's not? Enlighten us Lemonade...let the transparency you guys constantly harp about rule the day.
Get Real
09-07-2014, 02:45 PM
#7930
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Another thing GetReal. I would only hope that we are all ALPA cheerleaders. Dont confuse critique of individual's policy/work product with a disapproval of ALPA as a representing body. I don't know of anyone personally that is 'against' ALPA in general. Don't put words in my mouth or confuse me with someone else.
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